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Never said I was.

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Image

This is an illustration of the bell curve of the law of probability. The shaded area is the part of the group I am commenting on. The entire curve are the people you are speaking for as a whole group. We would only have an argument if my common denominator line drawn across the middle were in extreme high or low positions.

I try to place it an in the middle as much as possible in order to gather most commonality of any given subject or groups I am discussing. I am aware of the possibility for error. I would be at fool to assert that what I say stretches across the whole curve with any subject or group as I can see you are indicating that i might be doing but I am not I assure you.

I would concede all your points if we were using the same parameters for comparison but we are not, hence the need of the illustration, but the thing you are missing is that with the law of probability it is impossible to make a sure statement only a statement that has a higher or lower probability factor of accuracy.

People that do not take the time to consider these things when they speak come off wrong and have their arguments fall apart when they assert everything they say with certainty and concreteness. I stand on nothing concretely but on an equation hopelessly linked to a slide rule and I know it.

This fact takes away possibility of firm judgment but not of making a probable statement.

What I am speaking about at any given time is always the attempt to gather the largest most common denominator part of any group or subject. To ignore the rest of the picture would be fool hearty on my part but I do not ignore it.

I am taking the time to show you this now. I think this should make the argument over because any difference of seeing things we had was not a difference of seeing things it was because we were looking at and comparing two different sections of a thing we both thought we were talking about the same thing, hence the confusion.

Sorry more then on sentence but I wanted to clear it up and picture is worth a thousand words.

Paul

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Ok, good. I think you and I are about to come to an understanding on this.

You have said that you are not speaking in absolutes, only what you consider to be the average of the group. You have also noted correctly that it is impossible to make an absolute statement about any group based on the mean of the group.

You have conceeded to the point that your representation is not comprehensivly accurate of an entire group, but based on you beliefs of the mean.

This is not a complete characterization of the group as a unit or as individuals, but is a simple generalization of the group as a whole based on your beliefs.

The point of my disagreement with your statements all along has been this:

When you make a geralization of a group of people based on your beliefs of an average that does not encompass the entire group accurately, you are perpetuating an innacurate stereotype.

~Tim :batfly

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We're going out of town tonight man. We'll be back sometime tomorrow afterneoon/night, and I probably won't be back online until then.

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Bingo. Yes, I risk being inaccurate based on the probability factor I am left with once I set my common denominator.

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wow, even the undies have the diamond pattern.

*takes notes*

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I don't see how the suit even looks gay. I personally like it alot more than the reeves version. I like the muted color scheme and the raised smaller S. Personally I wouldn't have made the S quite so small, it makes Routh's already long torso appear longer.
It may appear to have S overkill but you barely notice it in most shots it's very subtle on film just makes it a bit more interesting to look at.
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I don't know what you mean by "looks gay"

I personally never said it "looks gay" and do not even know what "looks gay" means. I personally was commenting on the fact that the influences that a person that is gay may or may not have on design decisions associated with the design of the new superman suit. There is a strong probability factor associated with it and that is all I said.

Let's put it this way, we know what makes a girl look good according to our personal tastes. My comment was that if a man looks at another man in a certain way what might captivate him about their demeanor or dress style, is it possible any of that was used in the director's development of his part of the suit design?

 Low waist line for instance. What is that all about? It is currently a fashion statement for girls but I know it is becoming one for men as well. Who is driving the fashion industry trends? That is all I am saying. Did you see Josie and the Pussycats. Remember what that movie was about? They made fun of the fact that there was some kind of underground conspiracy group that controls it all.

It's all funny but the shear truth is and, this is going out on a limb, but a large number of fashion experts who are male and also hairdressers are indeed gay. That is simply the truth. The influence these people have over what we see is something we probably have not spent much time thinking about but it is there to some degree and that is all I am saying. Like everything Hollywood does it shapes our outlook on things to some degree. Something to think about.

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Low waist lines, for guys, are a little too metrosexual for me, along with manicures, eyebrow shaping, botox, implants or whatever else the media is pushing. Not that there is anything wrong with Ryan Seacrest type behavior. As for me, my John Stamos "full house" mullet and Z cavaricci's are gone, my pretty boy days are over, my wife likes her man....manly. emoticon
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Good points Lance. The way we see things and do things in our lives are very much affected by media. (And by our spouse Ha ha) I am simply asking the question what is affecting the media and in the case of the Superman suit I suggested a small tidbit for consideration. Yes it was a tidbit that may be a sore spot but it is still a tidbit worth discussing and I will risk having people not fully understand at first what I am talking about or even slam me a tad for it because I have infinite patience and know I will see it through with whoever wants to discuss whatever comes up on these boards. And I personally think we will all be better of for it and that is why I do it. The truth shall set us free.

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