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Modifying a Licensed Suit - Tutorial


Hey brothers,I have a Rubie Clooney costume,I wanted to make some changes to it to make it look more movie like,if anybody that has a suit like this and made changes to it to make it look better could you post some pictures and ideas that could help me.thanks
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Re: Rubie Clooney suit Pics please!!


WELCOME ABOARD AND...ASK BATIMAN (ALEX) TO POST SOME SCREEN CAPS FROM THE MOVIE..Or look through the archives that you will find them!!!
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Re: Rubie Clooney suit Pics please!!


I had the same idea, to accurize my Rubies Clooney suit.....well, I GAVE UP!

The Kilmer (originally) Clooney tunic muscles are so meticulously done,even Michealangelo would be challenged with this task.

 I'm going with a Returns look for mine, it's much simpler.

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you know what I made a mistake,I don't have the Clooney suit I have the Kilmer suit.I want to make it look more like the 89 or Return suit.Anybody got a similar suit with the changes please post pics or suggestions :batfly

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It's a Keaton if the bat emblem has a yellow oval otherwise it's either a Kilmer sonar or Clooney one.

My attempt at reworking mine FAILED! Only a few pieces are reusable but the leggings and tunic SUCK!
The boots are crap too.

The cowl is'nt great but OK.

If there'd been a sculptable, smoothable RUBBER product that worked like white Sculpey or plasticine clay but could be glued permanently to the dumb suit, I'd have succeeded.

NO such animal so I wasted $300 on what the seller told me was a 'screen accurate'batsuit and a Keaton one at that which none of it was true!

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Well, ringodog pretty much nailed everyone's feelings about these suits. They are such a waste of money. No matter what you do to them, in the end you will still waste your time and money on a fruitless task.

I would suggest trying to return it. If not, good luck with any changes you hope to make. There are a few turtorials out there on how to do some mods on the suit. I think Ed did a good one a few years back. Maybe he'll be able to chime in here.

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Funny that you said that Jon, Yes I modded one like 3 or 4 years ago for a short time Brother. In fact I have a tutorial all written up that used to be on the old BOTB. I will put it up here.

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Ya man, thanks. Please do post it up for everyone.

 :cheers

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Here we go::::::

I have been asked to put together a tutorial on how to best modify a mass produced “Rubies” or “Morris” Batman Costume. As I am by no means an expert I can only put down what has worked for me. I have modified several of these costumes and this is what I do.

First you’ll want to acquire a suitable under suit to attach the costume pieces to. I have had good luck with a one-piece .5 mm neoprene wetsuit. These are basically stepped into and zipped up in the back. Now onto the modifications.

You’ll need an assistant for the first step in the modification process, as it will involve putting everything on and marking the wetsuit where the latex costume pieces will be attached. Basically I use white chalk to mark the wetsuit by drawing an outline of the costume pieces right on the wetsuit.

After this is done you’ll want to CAREFULLY remove the costume pieces then the wetsuit. And I mean Carefully, you don’t want to lose the marks you just put on the wetsuit.

Note that before you remove everything you should see if there will be any trimming of the latex pieces required. I had one guy that had real skinny arms and I had to remove about 2 inches of the latex upper arms (at the back where you won’t see it) to make it fit him well. At the very least you’ll definitely want to trim out the area of your armpit. This will allow for better movement of the arms and better breathability of the suit.

Now as I’m sure you noticed the chest and ab muscles are pretty flimsy on these suits so the next step will involve beefing up these areas. What I’ve had good luck with is using a combination of liquid latex and gauze bandages.

What I do is turn the chest piece inside out and lay it down on a table or some similar surface. If possible prop up the sides with something (small pillows, rolled up newspaper, pieces of foam, whatever is available.) This will help keep the suit in a rough torso shape.

Next trim out some gauze to fit the rough contour of the muscles, brush in some of your liquid latex and put the gauze in. Then you can add another coat of latex. Allow the latex to dry (this can take a few hours).

Repeat this process as many times as you need to basically give the thing that solid muscle feel when it’s done. By the time you’re done you’ll probably have thickened the individual muscles up to about ¼ inch thick.

This is what I do for the abs and the emblem that’s already molded into the chest. If you’re planning to attach a different emblem then I don’t know if I would thicken up the molded one first as you might want to trim out the existing one and attach the new resin one in the hole. This would make me nervous I think.

The chest area on the other hand you may want to thicken up some the same way, but not quite as thick. You want it to remain a little more flexible so you can move.

Then get yourself some foam rubber about 1/2 inch thick and cut it to mimic the inside of the latex chest piece. Now you can glue it to the inside of the chest, or use the liquid latex to attach it.

What I’ve done in the past is use a thick coat of rubber cement to both parts and then put the foam in place. Now I’ve recently learned that if you apply liquid latex to both parts then you can hold the foam in the same way.

Be sure to leave about 1/2 an inch to 3/4 of an inch of the original costume's edge unobstructed by the foam all the way around, as this is where you’ll be attaching the costume to the wetsuit.
 
There is no real need to back fill the leg pieces in this fashion, but the cod piece on the other hand will definitely need some work. What you can do here is basically the same as the chest. Use some of that 1/2 inch foam rubber to fill out the codpiece.

If you want to repaint the latex pieces before you bond it to the wetsuit you can use Plasti Dip spray. I would hang up the chest piece and spray on the Plasti Dip heavily, but not so heavily that it will run. The legs and cod I would probably lay flat or on some rolled up newspaper (in the shape of legs). I didn’t find this to be necessary on the mass produced suits but it’s up to you.

You can also change the color of parts like the emblem or the belt this way. The guy I mentioned before wanted the yellow around the bat emblem on the chest and wanted a yellow belt, so Plasti Dip was what I used.

Now onto bonding it to the wetsuit.

The first thing you’ll want to do is stuff the wetsuit with towels in the legs and arms, and some bed pillows in the torso area. You’ll want it to be pretty much to your dimensions. Then basically put the chest and leg armor onto the suit.

Working in small sections of about 12 inches and starting at the neck area you can bond the latex to the wetsuit. Now for this I use Household Goop. (You can get it at many hardware stores and art supply stores.)

I trim the nozzle of the tube for a nice bead on the inside of those chalk marks from before, then press the latex piece together with the wetsuit. Then I use some of those black spring type paper clips to hold it while the glue dries (usually about 15 to 30 minutes to set up for each section).

Work carefully here and don’t get ahead of yourself. If you work with too big of an area you’ll wind up with a big mess. Like I said, maybe 12 inches at a time at the most, and allow it to set up, then move on.

Another trick is to work from top to bottom. What I mean here is start at the neck or shoulder area, then do the other shoulder before you move down the sides. I learned this the hard way (trial & error). If you start with one side then work your way around to the other side it “might” wind up going on crooked. Bond the leg armor on in the same fashion, finally finishing up at the crotch. Afterwards you’ll want to bond the codpiece to the front of the suit with the same glue.

I can’t stress this part enough. Allow the whole suit to dry at least a full 24 hours before you try to put it on.

You can backfill the belt the same way you did with the ab muscles, then get yourself a nice 2” wide strap at the fabric store. Bond it to the inside of the belt with the Goop and put a nice plastic clip on it (also available from a fabric store) for ease putting it on and taking it off.

The boot spats can be bonded to a pair of rubber or leather boots using the goop. I like the rubber wading type boots for this because you can usually get them for less than $20.00 and you can trim them pretty easily . (I think you can get them at Agway or a similar place. As I recall I got them at Bobs Stores but that was a while ago.)

You can beef up the cowl by first cutting a cardboard template for each of the ears and installing them inside. Then you can use cotton balls, quilt batting, foam rubber or something like that to fill them up. This will help keep them straight.

And if the cowl fits loosely you can glue some foam rubber to the inside to fill it out some. Also glue some foam into the eyebrow area as this area usually flops and makes the cowl fit poorly.

Another thing I like to do with the cowl is remove that little Velcro piece that the manufacturer uses and put either a large Velcro strip in line with the slit in the back or a zipper. If you don’t have access to a sewing machine or you’re no good with it you may want to take it to a shoe repair place and have it done there. Believe me you want this step done either way.

The gloves I’ve never modified so you’re on your own there. All I can say is if you want to stiffen up the fins it sure wouldn’t hurt. I just haven’t tried it yet. I haven’t really seen the need to either.

Here’s a list of the materials I’ve used:

.5mm wetsuit from A2Z Imports. (No longer available here.)
          
Household Goop from any hardware store.

Plasti Dip rubberized paint in Dip and Spray format available from Napa Auto Parts stores.

Liquid Latex (Body Cosmetic) in Black from http://ww2.sextoysex.com/sex/start/view.html?a=weginc&pnum=LL001

Gauze bandages/pads large.


Here are some pics of the suit while in progress and some of the finished product. More pics can be furnished upon request but I’ll need some time to scan them into my computer.


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Kudos to Jon, that's one helluva memory you have bro.
 :up :up :up

 :coffee

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Re: Rubie Clooney suit Pics please!!


Is this guy the man or what?? :bounce

Ed, when you've been around as long as you and I have, to answer questions you have to have an almost photographic memory. Otherwise you'll forget the simplest detail that can make or break a potential project. :wink Plus it doesn't hurt that I have a super-high-premium-ultra...(sorry running out of gas types :P)... memory when it comes to these things.

Thanks again for posting that. I hope it helps Squidbat. Keep us updated on your progress, dude. :up

Jonathan


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