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I would think they would be the same. You have the same amount of labor involved in dissassembling the host vehicle, and attaching the fiberglass body, running new wiring, and painting.

As I understand, a turnket '66 would be around $70,000. not chump change, by any means, but obtainable. I would think an '89 would be in the same neighborhood.

That asside, how stable would an '89 be to drive on the open road? Would it need to be scaled down? inqiring minds want to know...


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The 89 kit is actually much cheaper to purchase than the 66 kit. The build up is much more extensive that the 66, as many of the owners have found out first hand.
PS: the patent on the 89 is non-renewable as is all the Batmobiles!
           Kevin



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I have been told that Jay Orberg has not done a car in a long time, and that the ones WB sells are done by a friend of Mark Towle's. Not sure if that's accurate or not, but I've heard it from a fairly reliable source.

Anyone know any info about this?

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As I understand it,Orberg is not allowed to have anything to do with them because he was making and selling copies and got caught.
I know at least one of the two REAL cars is still in WB's vault. That info came from Dave who went there to study it for the 1:18 Mattel car...who also got to play with the screen used folding '89 Batarang while he was there. emoticon
The other real car is said to be owned by Kevin Whats-his-face(ninja turles creator).
Dunno though.

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Cool. Interesting info. :up

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Yes Jay hasn't built a car in several years, he built most of the cars floating around out there, until WB stopped him and his contract was terminated. His cars are built in a way to be easily identified by the others. There were a few built by Bob Butts, they are very scarce.
The car you speak of was one of the promo cars, WB still owns the two screen used vehicles. I don't see WB releasing them to the general public any time in the future.

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Maybe the guys working on building two Forever cars will post pics of their current efforts.

Those cars are gonna be sah-weet.

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As for the patent, the term of the patent shall be generally 20 years from the date on which the application for the patent was filed in the United States. All the Batmobiles were given 14 years. After the patent has expired anyone may make, use, offer for sale, or sell or import the invention without permission of the patentee, provided that matter covered by other unexpired patents is not used. The terms may be extended for certain pharmaceuticals and for certain circumstances as provided by law. Under certain circumstances, patent term extensions or adjustments may be available.



Guys, I've got to chime in here on this one. As the author of 8 patents currently on file in the US patent office, I must point out that you're kind of confusing patent law with trademark, copyright and trademark infringement law.

While the patent on the batmobile design may be about to expire, that does NOT in ANY way mean that Warner Brothers no longer holds copyright and trademark rights on their designs.

Only reason I am CERTAIN of this is because this has been discussed before. I'm going to forward this thread to a good pal of mine who also happens to be a lawyer. Maybe he'll be able to shed some light on this with the weight of professional authority behind him.
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I agree with matt. I would think that as long as they hold the ownership of the character that implies everything related for as long as they own the character. But if they sell the character to some other corp., then that corp. has the same rights.
  In regards to some things Kevin pointed out, I have noticed some definate differences between almost every 89 car I have ever seen in auctions etc.. One thing I notice consistanly is the windsheild. Take a close look at the windshield in the scene where batman and vale hop out after stopping for a road block. Freeze the frame. Notice the windshield is curved from top to bottom. Not so on any other 89 car "I" have seen (not that I have seen every one). Also many of the outside techno stuff is slightly different on almost every car. I'm guessing it's cause they "refurbished the 89 car for the 92' movie. Thus the original 89 car no longer exists per se'. Kinda like if you took the 89 suit, cleaned up all the gnarley detail that gave it so much character - it's sorta not the same suit anymore.
   I used to work for six flags, and I know a lot of the cars came from molds that had to be "drafted" i.e. clay used to fill in areas in the mold to insure the part would come out of a hard mold easily. The hood came off easily by itself. The sides and the area behind the canopy were a pain. as were the 6 vents by the side of the air scoop. So, in some sense all these cars are sort of "replicas". Also according to some written descriptions the original 89' car had been painted with 6 different colors to give it that sort of flip flop thing. Anyone ever seen ANY of the 89' cars painted like that? I haven't. Just plain black. Anyone know exactly what those colors were? Also I noticed that alot of the enteriors are different from car to car. One thing that I always notice is the three stick shifts in the middle. Each car that has an interior seems to be slighty different.
   Also the stories I have heard about the car vary over the years. I think that I may have seen the actual 89 car back in 90' at a car show. They pointed out that there were 16 cars made. Then quotes from John Evans(car creator) he said there were only 2.
   Probaly no one who owns any of these cars cares that much about the details anyway. Has to be THE most recasted car on the planet.
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There is some really great info on this thread. I know nothing about the vehicles and all the legal stuff. It would be really cool if someone will be offering kits for the cars. Shame they would cost so much, Maybe one day....









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I agree that when the patent is lifted,they still own "The Batmobile",but not neccesarily this design. It's the design of this car that's has a patent and not the name. WB will always own the name.
In other words,you're now free to copy and drive this car(provided it's street legal of course),but it cannot be called the Batmobile.

If you were a person who builds and sells them,you could do it legally,but you just can't call it the Batmobile.
If you were to show it somewhere,it would have to be listed under a different name and no money could be made from it. That's when the problems start...money.

So I think after the patent is lifted,you're free to build,buy and sell them,but must still follow certain parameters within the law.

 I could be wrong,but this is the way I understand it.

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