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Well, I've posted elsewhere, and I see some familiar names, so I guess I'm finally in the best place to ask about this.

First, a brief about me since I'm [sign in to see URL] FX guy in the Cleveland, Ohio area, just worked on A Joker's Card, working on a green lantern project, and am loving this so much more then gore that I normally have to do to make some money. I'm building an animated grappling hook gun, that will actually work, for a film in the area, and the only pics I have been able to find came from the person I'm making this for, actually photos of his TV screen.


]Batman TAS grappling hook gun


They, as well as progress of the gun is at the above link. I'm pretty much doing it as a tutorial, since I've seen a lot of great work done in these forums I have no doubt that someone can make their own. I may cast up some extras if I have any demand for them, but not sure since they might be dangerous (pointy hooks flying around.)

Anyway, I'm looking for any comments, photos, screen caps so I can get this thing as close as possible while still allowing it to work in the real world.

also, would love to hear what anyone has to say about AJC or bat-type props on the site.

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You psycho... I want one... I just made a dummy grapnel gun, but holy crap, would anyone be able to make a grapnel based on your design?

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Right Tom, I've seen your engineering on another forum, and this intricate design-build approach looks technically workable. The final grappling hook may pose some challenges, and gripping rather than piercing and gripping should be more practical.

I'd recommend getting some industrial design or art help to make this thing more aesthetic and possibly even more compact. That way it would both look and feel really cool and not just be utilitarian. It would be good to see some future CGI along this line, and I look forward to seeing such potential refinements.

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wow. can't wait to hear how this turns out. keep us posted. what kind of project are you working on? it's cool that something like that is going on around my area for a change. i'm in Warren.

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BYW, I think so, my intention is to make the proto out of wood, balsa or bass, then mold/cast it up, reason I have to do that is for the movie, want a couple, which is how I could cast more up if anyone was interested.

Just got the cut list up, well probably not a "real" cutlist, but all the parts of the handle are there, and will fit the pneumatics I'm using.

Zane, trying to keep it less intricate, but just had to work out best method for fitting the pneumatics in there, a little work in the beginning saves some at the end. The hook will probably not actually grip, and this is purely a "pretty" prop in intent, I don't have the means to make this function in the real world as it does in the toons/movies. The hook may actually have to fold up to fit in the barrel. God I wish I did though.

At this stage of the game, I just need to make what I'm hired to. After that's all done, I'm going to continue playing with it, once I have the parts in place I can probably just carve some foam to fit over the handle and change a little bit to make a much sleeker/ergonomic design.

I was playing with the pneumatics earlier and I can see there will be some issues with the hooks flight, as I expected. Over a distance it may tend to flop in the air. I am also fairly certain that having a line affixed to the gun will be dangerous (bounce back on the hook) so I may simply wind cord on a spool that will shoot out as well.

Shadow, it's actually for a nightwing film, down in the Mansfield area, or around there, bout an hour south. I have an idea for a fanfilm, might be looking for some props and help, email and we can talk. Also, hit [sign in to see URL] and check out their message board, Johnny's thinking of having some costumed folks for the premiere of AJC in April sometime if you're interested. Same goes for anyone in the area I guess.

working on the barrel section now so I can build that digital and get going on this. Aiming for a mid-late February completion date for the proto, after that, maybe another week or so to wrap up the first production version. Full official tutorial on it will be finished up after that, but since I'm updating as I go, you'll see everything as I get to it.

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Holy Strombolie! I want one! i'm too poor though emoticon
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too poor? nah,but i AM putting the whole building process online. I'm using wood to build the model so I can mold and cast them, but it could easily be made in plastic or even metal (sure, a little more trouble)

Just a basic breakdown on pneumatics right [sign in to see URL] feel free to price on the clippard website

(1) MJV-2 valve
(1) 15453 male 10-32 coupling
(3) 11752-4 10-32 to 1/8" ID hose fitting
(3) 2CPF NPT to 10-32 female bushing
(1) 15004 10-32 female hex coupling
(1) AVT-24-10 air volume tank
(1) MJCV-1 1/8 NPT check valve

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a 1/8 NPT tire valve
some urethane hose

all that comes out to maybe in the $40-50 range. I buy bulk from a local distributor. That is everything needed to get it working, including an air tank that can be filled at any gas station, with a bike pump, CO2 tire inflator, etc.... I'll probably break down functions of the pneumatics when I get to the tutorial stage of things.


I'd estimate the resin needed for castings in the 2-4 cup range, which would give you the sections of the gun, as well as a couple hooks.

Besides the above, a few screws, some pipe, and paint and I think it'd be about everything

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$40-$50? that's cool. i've been playing around with this idea in my head for awhile and i though something like this would be more expensive to make.
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Cooooool... :applaude It all looks very complicated, and once I start seeing those hoses and whatnot, I just assume it's over my head, and I quit looking. :p However, I am very interested in the process, and I hope you will keep us informed on what is going on. Good times...

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You might be able to use one of these and possibly modify it. $29 for 3.
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OK, got some more pics, and VIDEO of the hook blasting [sign in to see URL] video clips are all in the 350K range [sign in to see URL] are very poor, but video camera battery is dead so shot them with my digi still. You'll get the idea at least, and see why the tube on both the hook and gun side needs to be [sign in to see URL] should also mention, I'm not actually sure what PSI I'm using, going to run some tests when the battery is charged up and use 100 psi setup.

I like the arrow tip, and I'm sure there's a correct name, (broadhead?) but don't know if it'd be safe [sign in to see URL] when I make my REAL REAL one. :wink I can use one of those. BTW, I'd love to have one that would work like they're supposed [sign in to see URL] just don't think it'd haul my ass off the ground. :grumble

anyway, as you can see in the video the Christmas tree version of the hook will dent foam at a foot away.

and anyone from the other boards, or who cares, I just opened the mold on my power battery, only demolded half, looks GREAT so far. I'll pry the original out the rest of the way in the AM and start casting the first one up. :dancespot

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That looks great, I already welcomed ya so i will just say i cant wait to see how this turns out. I always liked the BTAS version.

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Where do I need to go to see the video?
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bottom of the page has the clips linked.

haven't had much time to work on it the past few days, got a bunch of little jobs that need to get wrapped up this week, so been spending time on them. gotta pay the bills. As soon as I can I'll get back to it and actually cut up some wood to make the first real world version.

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I thought I'd spill the beans and let everyone know it is my Nightwing film Tom is building the gun for. I was pretty happy when he said he was up for doing it.
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well, digging up old posts is my thing [sign in to see URL] getting back to building this in the next week.

Added new design work to the page, got the barrel built in the computer. Have yet to do the hook, but that'll be easier in the real world anyway.

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Does that look right, any comments before I start building the thing? It's a bit blocky for my taste, but looks to be fairly close to the cartoon. I may round the transitions on the barrel slightly, but that's not for sure yet.

Anyway, this is your last chance to bash the design before I go and spend some time on it, and everyone here is much more versed in bat-lore then I am.

Ok, off to bed.

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I'm probably wrong but I could've sworn the base of barrel (green area) was longer. Hard to say if I'm right since the animation differed so much from episode to episode.
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Wow, that's awesome. I'm so impressed. I hope it turns out how you want. :up

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BBB, yeah, that's the problem I was having with everything. Most of the pictures I have seem to be from a few different episodes, and even within one epi. it seems to change.

To get an idea of scale, the valve is about an inch, so overall it's close to uh 6", yeah 6" is good. I don't have the drawings up here, they're in the workshop already.

I guess I could just build it as is, then swap off the barrel at some point since it will be a separate piece. Yeah. That's what I'll do.

If it turns out good maybe I'll tackle the other animated grap [sign in to see URL]. I was also toying with the idea of some mini-rang launchers that would fit into the gauntlet, along the lines of Azbats.

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Stop toying and make it happen!
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you saw my list of what I have going on emoticon

I did make some progress, got the balsa cut out to make sure my numbers work in the real world as well as the computer. Have to change a couple of things, but the pneumatics fit snugly, which is a good thing. The animated version is going well, now that I finally have time to get it done. Going to buy some bass wood to make the version that'll get molded. I just don't like the idea of cutting acrylic on my table saw, especially when quite a few of the pieces are less then 1/2", some only 1/4" I've grown accustomed to 10 fingers.

If all goes smoothly the rest of the way out, I should have it put together this week.

Watch for pics soon!

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YOU'LL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT! YOU'LL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT! YOU'LL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT!

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 Looking for someone with a lathe who can make a part for me. Email if anyone's up for it. posted a little more info over on LOH in the trading post let's see if I can link to it...
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Also, here's some new pics and info

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The purple piece is being removed, the underlying pieces will be extended. The green "circles" will be the screw holes, they will be where the parts connect


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The black dot here is about where the fitting for the hose will pass through, it's either there or on the bottom. if it's there it'll hide for right handed people, and the hose can be run between the fingers and up the outside of the arm to the air source. I'm debating making a piece that will snap into place to cover the hole. I may have to make it a two part thing that would require the gun to be opened up to be installed. If I do decide to go that route, I'll be able to put 3 holes, one on both left and right sides, as well as one in the bottom. That way all holes can be covered, and all possible owner's will be happy.


Also of note in this pic is the green ink on the bottom of the part to the right. I'm still debating doing something like that since the handle is rather plain and a little boring. What do you think? You can see that pieces 13 and 17 will be extended 1/8" to replace the purple colored part (#5) which I decided to do away with.

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A decent shot of the inside of the gun. You can see red on the edges in some areas, this will be where "vents" will be placed in the mold to allow parts to fully fill. You can see some green towards the top, that section of that part will be trimmed away to make a little more room for the button to fire the gun. The parts sticking up out of the part on the right will be where the halves join with screws. They will be threaded and the screw will pass into them, 6 places in total for the handle. The barrel will fit into the "boxes" pointing outwards, and will connect with 4 screws itself.

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A shot of the pneumatics in place inside the handle. VERY snug fit on that, especially in the spot where the barrel will connect.


Anyway, that's what's up with that right now. It's coming together. Like I said, this version was to make sure all my numbers did work in the real world, to get a feeling for how small things would actually be and how well it'd go together. I'll make another version out of wood which will be as perfect as I can get it. I'll use that one to make a mold, and the final castings. I got some 1/8" thick circles made out of wood at pat catans the other day, I have to cut them in half to use them for the barrel, but at least I don't have to make them from scratch.

I'll probably start on the final version this weekend.

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Bravo my good man... Bravo..

i always knew it could be done this way. i just didn;t think anyone was crazy enough to actually do it. if i had more knowledge of pnuematics i'd do it myself

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I really am an idiot [sign in to see URL] what I said about that purple piece.... lack of sleep makes for mistakes.

Crazy,damn skippy, that's me. Anyway, it's not that hard, like most of the stuff you see here, you just have to play around with it a little to get a feel for it. After this I'm going to do another that's a little more cosmetically interesting shall we say.

want to know more about pneumatics, just go to [sign in to see URL] and request a catalog. It's a lot like plumbing, just putting hoses, tubes, pipes, and valves together. Maybe that's over simplifying it a little bit, but really for something this basic that's about all that's involved.

anyway, final version of the rendering a BOTB exclusive

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If you look close, you can see that the barrel "mount" is now thinner then the handle, and also added the button to fire the thing in there. Anyway, I'm off for a nap then going to start on the final master to mold. Once I get it built, I'll add the parts list breakdown for ALL pieces to the webpage, as well as a little bit of info on the molding process and pictures for anyone who wants to build their own. I won't post back on this until I have the master done.

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I can't wait to see it [sign in to see URL] hangin' on my belt!
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I have a friend that is an brass instrument repair man. Check out his site at ][sign in to see URL] Tell him you're a friend of mine (Tony Licata) and maybe he can help out if he's not too busy with his normal work. He is really good with a lathe and makes the majority of things he needs for his repairs in his shop!

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OK, well the master isn't "done" but the handle's 95+ % done. The master barrel's getting done tomorrow, had to call it a day after 14 straight hours to watch Kim Possible (which had a nice '89 batman homage in the beginning scene, the balloon shot with the plane emoticon , and yeah, I'm a dork)

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OK, so the master barrel gets cut and glued tomorrow, handle gets a little bit of patching and some more sanding to wrap it up. Then wrap up the barrel on Monday probably, molding early to mid week.

I still have to figure out the spool for some line, size and space are at a premium. The hook will be this week too, probably have to do some kind of folding section on it or keep it on the small size.

I'll check out that site, if I can't get it made I can live with what I have set up. I he can do it, you'll be the first contacted.

Anyway that's where we're at.

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