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Omg! this will be so cool, cant wait to see it finish.
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I was playing around with brass and pvc fittings to make a similar handle, and man, it doesn't take much to make the fingers feel like they were splitting apart while holding the thing. Does it feel that way to you Tom? Maybe it's just my small hands. :p

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It's not quite that bad, but part of the headache of translating something from a cartoon to real life while still keeping it looking right and working.

I've tried it with a few different gloves now, not sure how thick the average pair of bat's gloves are out there, so I can guess it'll be tight. I have a little bit of room between the handle and barrel with gloves.

Got an official cut list made up, will get that and a parts list put together later tonight and up on the page sometime today or tomorrow while waiting for glue and things to dry.

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OUT OF GLUE?! OUT OF GLUE?! OUT OF GLUE?!

What kind of a world is it, when a man trying to build a grappling hook gun runs out of glue!


As you might be able to tell, I ran out of glue, with 2 stinking pieces left to assemble. Barrel's done except for the detail pieces on the sides (with the half circles.) Handle's done, need to prime it and sand it before molding. Tomorrow I have to hit the hobby shop to get another tube and glue the parts on, then finish with the spot putty and sanding, clean and prime the barrel.

I had a change of heart, since I'll no doubt be casting a few, I'm going to make a mark for the pneumatic routing (holes for the hoses) on the inside of the handle halves, going to skip the bottom. It'll just be a tiny center punch kind of thing. That way I don't have to deal with making a plug for any holes and lefties and righties can customize as they wish.

I've settled on a 3 1/2" inner barrel. I've also decided to go with 3/8" tines on the hook itself, and am trying to figure out how to tie the line onto the hook. I'm using brass tube for the hook, since it's not too thick (and I don't have a lathe) I will probably have to glue and wrap some kind of wire onto it. Not the best solution, but oh well. I'm also trying to find a spool for the line and some line too. Probably going to use some kind of heavy duty fishing line, at least a 60 pound test since it's usually quite flexible and thin. Still looking for someone with a lathe for at least one part, but possibly two.

More pics tomorrow night of the finished master. Going to add final cut, parts, and pneumatic lists to the site later tonight for any interested.

Anyone who knows anything about resins, I'm looking for suggestions. I know smooth-on has a resin specifically designed for thin cross sections, but I've never used it. I'm looking for suggestions if you have any. Most of this is 1/8" thick with some sections getting up to 1/4". I also need something with a medium to long set time, no pressure pot so I want to make sure it's bubble free. I've got to look through their catalog of tech stuff, but figured I'd ask here too.


If I can stay on task I should have a casting or two by the end of the week.

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OK, THE MASTER IS DONE (ok, minus paint and final sanding, but that's nothing.

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Pneumatics are nearly there, might adjust the length of the barrel a little more., as it is now it's 3.5 inches. Think [sign in to see URL]" will be good and recess the hook in enough for my tastes.

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The back of the handle halves and the bottom of the unfinished button, think I'm going to drill a hole in it so it can't slide against the rod.

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The inside of the handles and the top of the button. Anyone want to mold this for me? just looking at that left side gives me the willies, what was I thinking? before you ask, yes, I HAD to initial it.

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Also, started on the hook, not too thrilled with it. The tine is ok, but the means for sticking the "rope" just is not what I want to do. The round part of the hook is 3/4", and I think that tine is going to make the hook too large unless I hinge it, which is a huge task unto itself. I may try to tackle that, and I also may make the tine a little thicker, maybe 3/16" which would put it flush with the bottom of the center section.

I'm not sure if I'll stick with this rope or not, seems a little stiff. $[sign in to see URL] for 10 yards, and it's WAY too big to actually fit into the thing when wound up. Guess I should mention the spool in there, it's too tall and not deep enough, but once I can find or make one I like better it'll slide over the inner barrel. Not sure if I can make it stay in place or if it'll fly out with the hook and line. I've got a couple solutions in mind.


Anyway, I'm sure some people are sick of hearing about it so I'll shut up now.

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Ok, I've got two lungs, two kidneys, and two balls... I think I can survive on one of each... Just let me know which ones you want, and I'll send 'em on over... CUZ I NEED ONE OF THEM, RIGHT THERE!!!! emoticon

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That's some kickass work there!
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I'm not interested in organs, new, used or any other variety.

First one goes to the movie, second one goes to me (if they want to keep the first one) after that, castings will be available, possibly kits with all pneumatics if I can trust you all not to shoot your eyes out. :nahnah

was just looking over the pics I have here, I might have to modify the thing and mold a third piece for the [sign in to see URL] I mold this one. this seems too square. maybe I'll just make a rounded piece to snap onto the handle and a new [sign in to see URL] early to say for sure. I'll just leave that out there and anyone who wants to do that can tackle it, how's that?

Give me time to get the molds done, when you see a casting here email me.

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:lol

While that grappling gun is dang cool, and while I want one, its not exactly something I would give up my left nut for(unless I shot it off in a mishap). haha:p

I might have to figure a way to put my grappling hook on that baby emoticon

Awesome work Tom!emoticon

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That's incredible, great work. You've captured the animated aspect brilliantly, can't wait to see some action shots emoticon

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 :embarassed

  I'm glad it's well received by the bat community. I made a few boxes to hold some stuff, no big. When I get up there and can do stuff like the Bob's (Dullam Causey) then you can praise me. Until that happens, I'm just a guy looking for paying FX work in Cleveland, Ohio and barely squeaking by.

I put up the how to, (well, parts, cut, and pneumatics) to give something back for all the great info I've found online over the years that has got me to this point. I did go to school for fx, but 75% has come since then just doing it and looking for info, so trying to put some out there for people willing to look.

I'd rather get ripped apart on stuff because I know where every little flaw is. Anyway, I got a meeting to go to and mold to make.

btw, I love that sig, it's hilarious.
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Awesome Work! :applaude I want one!! Working version or course. This board is going to turn me into a poor man …a poor man with a lot of cool toys! Keep us posted I can’t wait to see this baby in action emoticon
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Doh! emoticon Sorry double post ...but I really like this one emoticon

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Quote:

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I'm not interested in organs, new, used or any other variety.

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Tom this is impressive design-build work. I've no doubt it's a powerful first step toward more refined versions to come. It's the way of things around this 'ol cave, so you should go ahead and make a grappling hook strong enough to hold a big guy like you. I'm also hoping you'll use fine cable and spring loading like in big tape measures or something.
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Tom, once you get the thing working, you should post some video somewhere(in addition to whatever film its being used for) of the thing in action. That would be wicked. emoticon

However, I have a couple concerns for practicality of a real functioning one, and until these 2 issues are solved I can't see it being anything more than an extremely cool, semi-functional prop.

I highly doubt you could pack enough cable in something so small, with enough strength to lift someone, even a lightweight such as myself. I mean, I was looking at steel rope at Home Depot a few days ago, and the stuff which is rated for weight even as small as my weight is pretty thick. Even 10 feet of it would be pushing the storage capacity of that gun. However, there's one upcoming technology that may solve this issue(but its still a ways off): milking spider-silk from goats. That would be awesome once spider-silk cables could be packed in a grappling gun. :up Those things could lead to EXTREMELY strong cables. emoticon

Also, I've never seen a motor that would fit in such a small device, AND have high enough torque to lift someone at a decent rate.

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I'm going to Pat, probably on my site and I'll be sure to link to it.

I'm really only concerned with about 30 feet or travel or there abouts for the movie, anything else is asking too much. The line and how it plays out will probably have some effect on it, so still have to fool around a little with that.

Apoc, love to, but time, money, and space constraints will probably win out and movie magic will have to take over, at least for now. More refinements, probably, at least at some point. Always have to keep learning new stuff. emoticon

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what movie are u talking about?
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Ace1384's doing a fan film in WOOSTER, Ohio (happy ace, I didn't say Mansfield area :wink ) It's about an hour south by slow car. I'm not sure how much I can reveal, so just leave it at that.

Not too sure of time frame, I'm just trying to get it done and figure out what's next. emoticon

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Tremenous work. I am very impressed with your engineering detial. It is good to know that all over the states there are many of us hunkered over workbenches slaving over bat [sign in to see URL] me proud to be a prop maker/costumer. Keep us posted on how this turns out, cause so far its been very inspirational.

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Tom, I think you've inspired me to give my own functional grappling gun a shot. Great work!

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GO FOR IT!

if you do go with the larger hook you may have a little easier time since you'll probably be able to cannibalize some paintball marker parts, got links here to places that sell things to tie in from standard pneumatic stuff to "paintball" stuff that I can dig out.

If you're going to try to use the hook you have built now, I might suggest PVC (not too safe, but available everywhere)potato cannon kind of thing.

If you need any pneumatic help, help tracking stuff down or whatever, just ask see if I can be of assistance.

on this grap gun, figured out how to tackle the molds, going to try to get pics of all the steps to do a tutorial of it. I'll have some at least. The piece I'm having trouble designing the mold for is the barrel. I'll be pouring up the first silicone later today on the handles. Plan on doing a fiberglass shell over what essentially will be a 2 piece block mold. The [sign in to see URL], think I just solved it.

and a few other things since I'm here. What does anyone know about soldering thin wall brass tube? For the hook I was thinking of getting two pieces of larger tube. Make two rings of the next size, then a larger piece to drill a hole through for a micro keyring to tie the line to. --Log in or sign up to see linked image content--

Do you guys think that'll work? Any issues with warping the tube? For the line I plan on using a braided heavyweight fishing line, have to head to the store to grab some, but that's the plan.

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Will this pneumatic youve built give a short, strong burst, or a weaker, continuous, as-long-as-you-have-the-button-down kind of stream of air?

I'm also thinking I'll rebuild the hook I have, with the same design, but with stronger materials, so it won't get damaged when it hits anything(remember its made from model rocket parts, so it's real fragile).

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It's operating in the 100 psi area. The barrel is 1/8" ID and effectively only as long as I make the brass tube part of the hook maybe 2 inches, I haven't figured out the force, but there are formulas to do so, I don't have them here, but if you want it search for potato cannon sites that have lots of tech info, I've seen it on one of those I think.

Basically, if it's operating off a CO2 bottle for paintball that's regulated to a continuous 100 PSI. You'll get that blast until you let go of the button. CO2 tanks from everything I can find appear to be in the 800psi range. if you were to tear apart a pump style marker or possibly a BB gun you may get a higher PSI but less [sign in to see URL] guess this is where all the technical stuff comes into pneumatics and without sitting down and doing a bunch of math and getting involved with all the arguments of "flow vs pressure" I can't say what would be best.


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looking at you hook design i notice something. where you position the line to the hook may cause problems when it is fired.
Because you have the line on one side of the hook it will effect the direction the hook will fire from the cannon i.e. will pull to one direction. Only a suggestion, would be to have the line at the bottom of the hook.

Fantastic work by the way. I made a grapple gun out of lego when I was younger, don't have it now. I wish i was a kid again.

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Yeah, aware of that Damo, just trying to get it on there somehow with a minimum of headache. Right now I will probably at least give it a shot to see if it works and how much it does mess things up. May change it, may have to.

Thanks. I just wish I had all my toys still

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a little more progress, pretty (mostly) mold [sign in to see URL] of the way done with it. :frown

2 piece silicone mold for each part, 2 piece fiberglass shell as well. Can see the pretty gutter key in those. Sorry about the crap pics, as well as the ugly edge on that mold, pulled it and tried to trim a little too quick, got a little messed up. can you see my bad burn on my bench. Also, you can see where I had to trim silicone "bleed over" since it wasn't glued down, just stuck to the plastic with some clay. Oh well, can't win em all.

Anyway, I'll clean up the edge later, tomorrow I'm going to glue the styrene closed, add the vents and pour up part two of the silicone, that's probably where it'll sit for a few days, have to get some stuff done ASAP for Friday... (premiere of A Joker's Card) I am trying to take enough pics to do a proper tutorial and breakdown on how I did it for you all.

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Tom, Thanks for the progress report and continuing tutorial. :applaude You have inspired and educated me on continuing my own little project. I’m so excited to see this one finished. I’ve always loved this design and you’re doing a great job bring it to life. It never ceases to amaze me the pure talent and kindness of the people of this board. Keep up the good work Bro! :up
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As I said, I'm enjoying watching this one come together.

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