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Armor Gluing Advice


Hey guys,

As you saw in my other post, I'm planning on gluing the chestpiece down to my wetsuit. I've decided I'm going to try it tomorrow. So I'm wondering, which DAP do I use? Everyone's saying DAP is the way to go, but there are several different DAP adhesives.

Also, how long will I have to wait in the suit while the adhesive cures on me(er, uh, on the suit... lol)?

I've also heard mention of Goop being used. I've got Marine Goop, would that work? And how long(in the suit) for that if I decide to use that?

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Re: Which DAP to use?


Well, I've used DAP two times now. Each time with flying colors.

This is what I used...

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The actual fabric surface of your wetsuit should be fairly thin, regardless of the thickness it is... Therefore, I'd say no less than four coats of DAP in order to allow it to get tacky. Five would be better, but it also depends on just how thick each coat is. After the first coat dries, it will almost vanish and look as though there’s nothing there, but each successive coat will glaze over better. What you're looking for is a "sheen" to the glue and you want the fabric pattern to disappear.

You'll only need two coats of DAP on the back of your armor... Depending on how much texture it has to it.

My Janty '89 armor was very bumpy, so I did three coats on the back of the armor.

 


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Re: Which DAP to use?


The thing with DAP is that if your suit is not even given a light coat of latex and the sweat can work its way to the underside like with a lycra suit, it will eventually break hold from the latex piece.

DAP + moisture = armor on ground

I like to always do a little edging with good old ZAP to make sure its there for good. Its worth it.

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Re: Which DAP to use?


Dude you've got a DELL!!!

Actually so should you apply one coat of DAP and then wait till it tacks then apply a second coat and build this up? How many cans will you go through in this process?

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Re: Which DAP to use?


Each time I've done it, I've only used about a third of that exact can you see in the picture. They sell smaller sizes if you want to get that instead.

I think you may be under the thought that you have to completely cover the backside of the armor as well as the area of the bodysuit that it's getting adhered to... This is wrong.

DON'T do that.

DON'T DO THAT!

All that needs to be done, is the first inch or so, of the inside edge of the armor and then the same amount on the bodysuit or wetsuit that you're attaching it to. If you completely covered the inside area of the armor and allowed it to glue itself down tightly to the bodysuit, it wouldn't retain the form and shape that it was molded at. Say for instance, the chest area... If you pushed down the chest muscles so that they would stick to the bodysuit, it would never come back up and wouldn't stay at the muscular shape.

I put on the bodysuit, lay the latex or urethane armor onto the spot it's gonna' get glued to, my wife marks the edges of the armor onto the bodysuit and when it's time to glue, SHE brushes only a one inch wide line of glue, that needs about five coats to get it to that "glaze" I mentioned.

BUT, we stay away from the reference line by about a half an inch, so that there's no chance of glue showing after the armor is put down and in case the armor doesn't go down EXACTLY where it was originally intended. That edge that doesn't get the glue on it, can always get touched up afterwards with either Bondini or Super Glue. They both bond almost immediately for a very clean application and to glue down the very edge that didn't get stuck down by the DAP.

Now, since this is called CONTACT CEMENT, yo have to apply glue to both the armor AS WELL AS the bodysuit. Read the directions on the can for their specific times allowed for drying. We usually wait about ten minutes between coats. The first coat on fabric visibly dissapears, but takes a while longer to dry, so I'd wait about fifteen minutes for that.

When you do this though, there's an ultra-important fact...


You MUST protect your skin from the glue! WRAP YOURSELF IN SARAN WRAP!! PUT EXTRA CARE AND LAYERS IN THE CROTCH AREA AND AROUND YOUR ARMPIT AREA!!!

Intense heat and burning and hair pulling will result if you don't do this! I'm not kidding.



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Re: Which DAP to use?


As for cursedbat's suggestion, should I cover the entire armored area with latex? Or just the area that's getting the DAP applied to it? Sounds like a good idea but I'm starting to run low on latex right now. :p

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Re: Which DAP to use?


People argue that the suit is hoter if it is covered in latex but I have worn both and there is no difference. The part where the armor goes down will be covered with armor so how is that going to be hotter if there is a skin of latex? There is latex armor on it either way :huh

So if you put a nice skin of latex where the armor is going it makes it so you dont need to wrap yourself all up in wrap if you do it right. And also the glue will let go easy if you get sweat through. With it sealed you wont get that and also if you edge with ZAP, which is best, the suit will never let go unless you rip it, you get a clean edge, and the bond is instant because of the latex to latex.

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Re: Which DAP to use?


Cursedbat ... When you brush the latex onto the bodysuit or Under Armor or whatever it is you use, do you wear it on your body and have someone else do it for you or do you apply it while it's on a form that's the same size and shape as you are?

I tried brushing the latex onto my bodysuit, but after it cured, it conformed to the smaller mannequin I had it on, so I couldn't even get it on.

I just can't imagine wearing it all freakin' day while waiting for the latex to dry. It doesn't dry very quickly on the first coat when it's applied to fabric. I can't imagine the whole suit being done in one day and you'd need to do it in at least two coats AND you can't move around much... Not to mention sitting.

How's it done easily? Or isn't it?




 

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Re: Which DAP to use?


ok, my question was if I could just latex the area the DAP itself is being applied to, not necessarily the entire area under the armor, but just the area where the *DAP* will touch the suit. That's what I'm wondering. Because like I said I'm running low on latex. :wink

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Re: Which DAP to use?


Since you only do one layer or so of latex on the suit, couldn't you accelerate drying time with a hair dryer? Or heat gun?

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