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Gluing Your Latex Armor with DAP


I glued my wife into her first Batgirl costume last night. It's Ludakris's "Birds Of Prey" suit.

I HIGHLY recommend it, for all female Bats!

I used this same method on my Batman suit as well. Actually I did it twice, because I had to tear the armor off my first bodysuit because of a botched attempt of brushing liquid latex onto all the exposed areas while my bodysuit was dressed on my mannequin.

Don't attempt applying liquid latex to your suit, unless it's either...

A. On you and someone else brushes or rolls it for you, or...

B. Your suit is on a mannequin that's the same size or even slightly bigger than you.

Anyway, if you have ever wondered exactly how to go about gluing your latex armor to a bodysuit, this is the best method I've seen. ]HERE'S an earlier thread that only talks about the process and answers some questions, but it doesn't have a pictorial with a pretty girl, like this thread. emoticon

Now... Contact cement is meant to be applied to BOTH surfaces. Typically it's used to bond Formica countertop material, to a solid surface. You brush or roll the underside of the Formica and then brush or roll the plywood or particle board material that you're mounting it to.

You leave the two alone to dry to a tacky point and then you simply place the glued side of the Formica, onto the plywood. Once the two pieces meet and you roll out all the air bubbles, they're not going anywhere.

It works the same way here. You allow the glue to dry on both pieces and then you simply place them together after they've dried.

What you'll need is:

-1 small can of DAP Contact Cement (the red can)

-1 or 2 disposable brushes that are 1" wide

-Either some Saran Wrap from a store or you can get the less wide and more easy to maneuver plastic wrap roll that you can get at Home Depot, that's normally used to wrap objects together.

-1 tube of Bondini or Zap-A-Gap or multiple little tubes of Super Glue.

-Ventilation

-A helper

-At least two solid hours of free time. You should be able to do it in less time, but ya' never know.... (Phone, kids, arguing with your helper, putting out the fire, etc.)

-A cold beverage of choice. Why not? emoticon


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Step #1

Relax! This isn't hard. You just need to be patient.

You need to get wrapped (or your pretty significant other) with Saran Wrap! You don't have to wrap it directly onto your skin. You can wrap it over a tight shirt, to act as a bit of insulation from the heat of the glue.

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Why use Saran Wrap you ask? Well, your skin will not only possibly get 2nd degree burns from the chemicals in the glue, but you're also preventing the glue that seeps through the fabric, from gluing your suit to your skin.

You MUST cover all areas that the glue will be near. The most sensitive areas happen to be in the underarm area and the entire crotch/nutsack area. Don't burn the twins!

Again, try to do this with as relaxing a setting as you can get. Some people get claustrophobic doing this, or they find out they're claustrophobic WHILE doing this.


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Step #2

Get into your bodysuit and place the armor into the location you want it to get glued to.

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Step #3

Have your helper trace all around the edge of the armor with chalk. You want to make sure you've got everything located properly and hold the armor as close to where you want it glued, as possible.

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Step #4

Start applying the Dap Contact Cement with a disposable brush, 1/2" away from the chalk line you made.

You only want to go around the perimeter of where the armor sits.
DON'T cover the entire underside of the armor. There's no need for that.


Typically, your armor has raised areas (muscles) that need to stick out. You certainly don't want that glued down flat. You want the armor to flex and move as YOU flex and move. This can't happen if it's glued down solid. So ONLY do the perimeter, staying 1/2" away from your chalk line.

Depending on the fabric, you'll definitely need at least three (maybe four) coats of DAP. The fabric will cause the glue to get completely absorbed on the first coat and seep down to the Saran Wrap.

After that one dries, THEN the next coats will sit on the surface and will become your bonding surface.

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Step #5

Now do the same thing to your armor, only try and get about 1/4" away from the edge of the armor here. It's easier to control the brush on the armor, than it is on fabric. Just lay it on a table and brush two good coats of the glue onto it. Make sure you allow any little deep spots to fill up and pool semi-smooth.

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Step #6

Place the armor onto your suit. This can be tricky, depending on the type suit you've got. You want to move slowly and carefully, so that you prevent AS LITTLE of the glued armor, to touch the glued bodysuit in case of an accident.

If a little bit touches, you can still pull it away and relocate it. Once you've seated the glued armor onto the glued bodysuit, it WILL bond instantly. You can pull it away if only a little bit touches, but once you've allowed a large portion of the armor to "seat" itself, that's where it's gonna' live.

So, BE CAREFUL PLACING THE ARMOR WHERE YOU WANT IT!

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Step #7

After you've made sure that the armor is firmly in place, you can get out of the suit, cut off the Saran Wrap and relax.

When you're up to it, it's then time to use the Bondini or Zap-A-Gap or Super Glue to fine tune the edges. Just do a few inches at a time, gluing any loose spots at the edges, down to the suit. Using a little tube of this stuff is FAR easier to do the touch-ups, than to try and get it exactly right the first time with the Dap.

In this picture, it shows how we were able to trim away all the excess neck material, that's not supposed to show with the Batgirl suit that Ludakris made. You'll notice in the earlier pictures, the suit had a mock-turtle-neck. We did this after the armor bonded to the suit.

Try not to stare at my wife's tits too long...

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Trying to place the armor EXACTLY in the same spot you had it when you first traced it with chalk, is really quite hard. Doing a casual touch up around the edges, will fix all the spots that weren't done before and it'll be a LOT less stressful this way.

You can use this method with ANY Batman or Batgirl or any other latex armor pieces. It's really fu*king strong and really fu*king flexible. After you do this to your suit, you can bend, flex, run, jump and do all sorts of aerobic movements and even immitate all of Batman's stunts, without fear of having the armor pull away from the suit.

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Okay... Since I said I'd find out and there've been a few questions since, asking about urethane...

Gluing urethane...

No, you CAN'T use DAP with urethane. I just experimented with it and it DOESN'T hold. The glue WILL stick to the urethane at first and it WILL stick to the fabric after you apply the two halves. But when you pull on the rubber, it lifts away from the glue, leaving behind all the glue that was attached to it, so that it's glue is now stuck to the fabric.

You need to get one of the super glue brands, something like “Super Glue”, “Bondini”, “Zap-A-Gap”, “Crazy Glue”, etc. They’re all the same, really. But you MUST get the gel formula, because it doesn’t get absorbed as quickly as the liquid variety and it’s easier to control.

You can also use Goop brand glue, but I find that it's very messy and thick. It'll work in areas that you know ahead of time, will NEVER be seen by anyone, but I wouldn't chance it myself, around the perimeter of the armor. In case you accidentally get it on the fabric, you're screwed. That stuff doesn't come off. At least with a brush (using the DAP) you have a bit of control.

FIRST... Wash the edges of the rubber with a small amount of lacquer thinner, to clean all the oils off the rubber, to allow for a much stronger bond.

When you start the gluing process, you have to do it all very quickly, because the glue dries very quickly and you MUST use it while it's still wet. Unlike DAP Contact Cement, where you have plenty of time to apply the glue and then wait for it to dry, with these super glues, you HAVE TO work quickly. At least a few inches at a time.

When you glue the edges of your suit down, you can't squeeze the glue all around the entire perimeter of your suit. All the glue will dry up by the time you got all the way around to where you started. You should only do it in nothing more than six to eight inches at a time, because (once again), the glue dries very rapidly.

The best method to use for "clamping" the rubber to the fabric, is with your hands. Simply squeeze out a few inches along the edge of your suit and hold it in place, the same as you would like explained originally. And once that's dried, you do another few inches and so on and so forth.

I don't recommend wearing rubber gloves while doing this, because you'll possibly get small pieces of the gloves stuck to parts of your suit in case some of the glue drips out. It's easier to use your bare hands and simply wash the glue back off your hands and fingers later, with a very small amount of acetone.

Don't bathe in the acetone, because it gets into your blood stream very quickly and travels to your brain and you'll eventually wind up drooling and barking like BatmanAll does all the time these days. So use the acetone sparingly. It's something Tony repeats to himself daily now. He says, "Shoulda' used less. Shoulda' used less. Shoulda' used less. K*Mart sucks. K*Mart definitely sucks. Yeah... Shoulda' used less. K*Mart sucks."

Anyway, to answer the question... No.

You can't use DAP with urethane.

So, there's that.

Use super glue for urethane!


And that's pretty much it. I may have forgotten to mention something, but I'll edit it back into this, in case I remember.

Good luck! :up

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Re: The simple use of DAP


where wore you 2 days ago with this thred?
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We were waiting for the fu*king bodysuit to show up from Singapore or Shanghai or some other freakin' country on the other side of the universe. :banghead






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Fan-freakin-tastic tutorial there Liam. I think you covered everything. :up

I just know that once I used DAP on my Artsee armor, it was the right choice. Strapping it on, just wasn't going to cut it.

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Excellant. Very well put together.
When the time comes to remount my suit to a spandex, I'll be calling ya...........

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Very cool!

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Awesome tutorial, E6! Thanks for taking the time to do that. Looking forward to seeing more pics of that suit.
Kris' idea to put laces corset-style in the design was quite brilliant.

I don't think DAP contact cement works with urethane.

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Why wouldnt it?

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Because I said it wouldn't. :lol
Actually I shouldn't have even said that without knowing for sure. I think a couple people have told me so. Just heresay as opposed to trying it personally. Be willing to test it except I can't even find that stuff in Canada.

Now stop posting in my threads, Patrick! I hate you!!!
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excellent tutorial Liam, I'll try this on my next suit
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