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Aquaseal & Urethane


Sometime back, I saw a mention of a superglue/crazyglue that dried flexible, but I can't remember the name. Can someone remind me? Thanks.


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Re: what was that glue?


I think its "DAP"
Read echosix gluing tutorial.
I got a hold of a glue here in sweden wich acts just like it and is flexible when dryed. Good stuff.
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Re: what was that glue?


Cylock glue (type R) has been mentioned that dries flexible but for the life of me I cant find it anywhere on the internet.

I've just ordered some Aquasure to test out ....its a Urethane based glue for wetsuits and it dries flexible and can also be used for gap filling. I know its said that only superglue will work on Urethane but I wanted to test this out since I'm going to be gluing to a neoprene wetsuit anyway ...and I've only ordered 1 tube for now so if it dont work no [sign in to see URL] ya got to experiment or ya'll never know lol

Also Shoe glue I believe that dries flexible as well I've got some of that as well so I can attach some leather to the back of my spinal piece.

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Re: what was that glue?


Here's why I ask. I'm trying to glue latex leg armor to a neoprene wetsuit. Stuff like Goop is sticking to the wetsuit--but not the latex. I don't know what it is about this particular piece of latex, but I couldn't glue anything to it unless I used superglue. The edges curl up, and the glue just won't hold. Since I want to actually MOVE in the suit, I need something as strong as superglue but flexible like Goop.

That Cylock R sounds like what I need, but I can't find anything about it on the net, either. Maybe the company went bust?


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Are you sure its latex and not urethane ?
Only asking because Goop wont work on urethane.

Also have you painted both the legs and the wetsuit with goop then let them sit for 10 mins or so till they both become tacky ?

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Quote:

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Are you sure its latex and not urethane ?

Also have you painted both the legs and the wetsuit with goop then let them sit for 10 mins or so till they both become tacky ?




Yes to both.


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mmm wierd if you had said it wasn't sticking to the wetsuit I'd have suggested rubbing the wetsuit down with rubbing alcohol.

When you say stuff like Goop what product is it exactally.

Hoping some more experienced bro's are gonna jump in here and try to assist
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did you put armor all on the inside. cuz that can stop the glue from sticking as well :huh

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How about checking the BOTB archives at the bottom of the home page under "Adhesives and Glues" or "Armor and Bodysuits" ? :doh

Here's another link that looks useful:

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When you say stuff like Goop what product is it exactally

I tried both Goop and E6000


did you put armor all on the inside

Nope


How about checking the BOTB archives at the bottom of the home page under "Adhesives and Glues" or "Armor and Bodysuits" ?

Been there, done that. That's where I found the mentions of Cylock R. With some of the other products mentioned, it wasn't clear if 1) they dried flexible or 2) that was even something the recommender desired.

The Aquasure sounds like it might work. I'll keep digging for info on other glues. Thanks to all.


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I'm expecting my delivery of Aquasure any day now as soon as I get it I'll test [sign in to see URL] it will stick to my urethane torso it will stick to anything

I'll let you know how I get on
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barges cement works great used on shoes extremely bonding and flexible

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barges cement ...in other words shoe glue
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Ok my Aquasure just arrived 10 mins ago ...I've applied some to the back of the [sign in to see URL] now we wait lol
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This looks interesting:

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Ok as promised I did a test of the glue Aquasure I used it to glue up a thin spot on the back of the torso.

I put this on pretty thick to fill the [sign in to see URL] it overnight ....just went back to [sign in to see URL] not going anywhere ha!

This glue is extremely flexible it dries clear and if it will stick to Urethane then it should stick to latex no problem.

The Brand name may be different in the [sign in to see URL] just go to a wetsuit site and look for a repair glue that is Urethane based.

When I my undersuit finally arrives I'm going to use a combination of both Aquasure and Superglue to tidy up the outer edges.
Right I'm just going to place an order for a few more tubes... They aint cheap but totally worth it.
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Sounds like great stuff. What did you glue it to? A piece of fabric?

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No I just used it to repair my torso as it had a thin spot on it ...I applied glue straight to the Urethane Torso. Then after it fully cured I then tried to pull it off the [sign in to see URL]'t want to let go ha.

This glue is intended to be used on neoprene wetsuits as a way of repairing tears and scuffs and so on I figured since its meant to repair tears and is Urethane based it must be pretty strong and remain flexible.
When I tried to remove the glue I pulled so hard that it stretched ...but as soon as I released it it went straight back to its original form. So I'm going to apply the Glue the same way as shown in Echo's tutorial. You can even buy a addative for the glue so that it goes tacky in less time and also fully cured in 2 hrs ... I'll be buying the addative as well.
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How much was it and how much do you get in a tube?

Keep in mind it may react differently gluing rubber to a wetsuit. But it certainly sounds promising. I'll be keeping a close eye on your progress. :wink

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That's all interesting. That Aquasure stuff sounds like an anaswr for all of us with any urethane stuff. How long does it take to set up?
Also I'm QUITE confused that the Goop is giving anyone problems with latex. I've glued several suits with it and it works great. The thing is though you can't do it by following the directions on the tube. You have to glue it a few inches at a time around the edge (about 1/4" to 1/2" in from the edge). Just apply it directly to the armor and while it's wet stick it in place and hold it for about 10 mimutes till it sets up. Then move on for another few [sign in to see URL] again, and again till you go all the way around. It's a lengthy process but it works. It takes about 2 tubes of goop to bond an entire suit down. I did my Returns suit in late 2001 and it's still on the suit and showing no evidence of that changeing. I have a tutorial on modifying a Rubies suit that also covers the glueing process I have used, you can check it out here [sign in to see URL]
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Ok I did some research for you guys.

Basically you can paint it on as it comes with its own tiny brush. I am going to coat both surfaces with this mixture of Aquasure and Cotol-240 then give it 10 mins to get tacky. It should fully cure in 2 hours or less, without Cotl-240 it takes alot longer, 12-24 hours. I

'll be wrapping myself in saran wrap as well as wrapping the torso after I've glued to hold it in place. I pasted some info about it for you. I'll be able to tell you more once I actually glue my torso down.


Aquasure® Urethane Repair Adhesive & Sealant

The industry standard for maximum strength repairs to wet suits, dry suits and all watersports products. Flexible urethane formula waterproofs, seals and protects against abrasion. Hundreds of watersports and household uses.

For fast cure, use with Cotol-240™ Cure Accelerator. Available in 1 oz Blister Pack, 1 oz. with Cotol-240 Blister Pack and 8 oz.

DIRECTIONS FOR NEOPRENE REPAIR: Clean damaged area with Cotol-240™ Cure Accelerator/Precleaner or solvent (paint thinner, nail polish remover or similar). Trim loose threads. Non-fabric surfaces should be roughened with sandpaper, then cleaned.

Apply Aquaseal® to surfaces directly from tube or with knife or flat stick. Keep repair level overnight. Avoid contact with other surfaces.

Most repairs reach full strength overnight (10–14 hours). Allow longer for thickest repairs. For fastest cure (2 hours or less), mix in Cotol-240.

HOLES AND TEARS: Create backing with removable tape. Fill void and 1/4” beyond edge with Aquaseal. Remove tape after full cure.

SEAMS: Apply 1/16” thick bead overlapping seams edges by at least 1/4”. Apply with slight pressure to saturate fabric surfaces.

HIGH WEAR AREAS: Apply thin coat with knife for flexible abrasion resistance.

WARNING: FULLY CURED AQUASEAL IS SLIPPERY WHEN WET. For added traction on footwear, sprinkle sand on uncured Aquaseal 1/2 hour after applying.

CLEAN UP: To remove Aquaseal from hands, buff with cloth soaked in paint thinner, nail polish remover or 99% isopropyl alcohol.

STORAGE: Advance contents to tube neck. Wipe clean and cap. Keep in cool, dry place; for extended life, place in freezer. To thaw or for easier-flowing contents, soak tube in warm water for 15 minutes.

The American equivalant is:

AQUASEAL Repair Adhesive & Sealant is a unique urethane rubber compound providing superior adhesion, wear resistance, flexibility and waterproofing. Unaffected by heat or solvents, AQUASEAL Repair Adhesive & Sealant cures to a flexible thermoset rubber product.

An AQUASEAL repair can be stretched and folded yet still spring back to its original shape without any damage. The highly concentrated formula has minimal shrinkage, allowing thick repairs with only one permanent application.

Examples of Aquaseal compatible materials: Neoprene, Hypalonâ , vinyls, natural and synthetic leather and suede, tri-laminate materials, foams, composites and many plastics.

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A website with some instructions on mixing

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For those of you that require a web address with both these products on give me a shout on this thread and I'll post.

but I will ask everyone not to rush out and buy this yet until I've fully tested it...

I'm not saying I'm an expert or [sign in to see URL] I'm the 1 who decided to give this stuff ago and test it and I wouldn't want any of you to go out and waste your money on something that doesn't actually work.
So please allow me to test it for you guys and I'll do a full writeup about it all as soon as I have the [sign in to see URL]
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