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Re: The elusive cape harness


Thank you men.

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Somehow I figured the flap from the cowl went underneath the plate so the plate actually secured it down and then the emblem attatched to the plate with velcro, would this work?


I doubt it would work.
I can take off the cowl and still be fully suited up and nothing else [sign in to see URL],you'd have to put the cowl on,line it up,the try to manipulate the cape in place and overlap the plates over the cowl flap.
Actually,as I think about it,no it definitely would not work. Plus even if it would,this way is better anyway.


I believe what I have pictured is exactly how the movie suits were done,within reason. The layered 'sandwich' effect.
This goes for the 89,Returns,Panther,and Clooney Panther(I'd say Clooney's cape clips were for show on this suit,and performed no function).
The other suits---Sonar,Ice suit,Begins,and probably the DK suit---all use harnesses as well,but set up different to accept the cape from different points.

In other words,the first four mentioned use the emblem shaped plates attached to the cape to fit into the emblem cavity. The other suits don't have this feature,so the eyelets are on the corners of the cowls and in the chest armor where the cowl meets it,the cape goes between,then secured through those [sign in to see URL] that makes any sense.
Same basic principle.

I see it clearly in my head,but I don't know if I'm expressing it right in words.

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Are the straps necessary? Do you think it would be possible to attain the same function with only the plate and screws, maybe even attach it to the underside of the armor?


Without the straps,it wouldn't be a harness,and that would defeat the whole purpose. :wink
The whole point is to line everything up and take the weight off and distribute it evenly.
You could use the 'plate' idea underneath to line everything up,yes,but it wouldn't perform any other function,plus it would be difficult to secure it to the chest piece.

This is so much easier to do it like this.

Throw all the questions you have at me. I've made about 10 of these in my head before making the real one and worked out every problem already,so all the questions you're all gonna ask,I already asked and answered them. :lol
Based on that,I'd say this is the method to go by.
Again,not that the harness itself couldn't be made different or better,but the IDEA of it.

All I did was reinvent the wheel. This isn't my idea. What it comes down to is,this is based on the original idea thought up 18 years ago and it worked. Other short cut methods were tried,like velcro and whatnot,but in the end,it all comes full circle back to this.
This really is the best way and I am absolutely convinced of it.

John :flapbat

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That is just soo awsome! :toocool from pictures that i seen in magazines, that looks exactally like how they done it.

  fantastic job! :up
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h o l y c r a p !

Without question the most accurate 89 assemblage to date.

That looks so damn close to the real thing it is scary. Lots have thought about it. And many have suits that are nearly the same. But no one else has put all the best pieces together with the harness as the cherry on top.

The 89 suits have come so far since i started lurking on the old board around 2000-2001.

Wow. Congrats.
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Thanks John! Great tutorial and Xmas gift to the Brotherhood!! :cheers

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Fantastic job. It's good to see somebody try this out. It's also nice to hear that the harness does in fact help distribute the weight and give some solidity to the whole setup.

My only question on the pictured setup would be- where are the central screws?

I've been thinking about the 89 emblem connection lately.

You can see on this screen used emblem that the carved out room for those big ole screw heads.

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And here is the cowl oval area before the emblem goes on.

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I think you can just barely see the smaller screws heads around in the velcro fuzz.

Hmmm...

This discussion got me thinking about one thing.

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There has been past talk of why the oval is cut out on some cowls and not others. Thinking about the solidity of this harness setup has got me think that perhaps the cowl's oval isn't actually sculted rubber but actually just another attached metal plate?

Maybe it has the side areas like the cape plate that would attach at the edges to the cowl? Having a number of little screws holding down some foam rubber sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

Thoughts?

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Nick, the cowl oval flaps on the cowls are leather I believe and are attached to the cowls seperatly, not built in.
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Man that is one solid look. Great work, and excellent tutorial. You guys never cease to amaze me.
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I'm pretty sure John is correct and that the oval was latexed canvas not leather, also looking at Nicks screen-caps is what gave me the impression that the metal plate sat over the oval as it looks solid in that picture. John would it be possible for you to send me these pictures so, with your permission of course, I could send them to Dave and ask him how close it is to the one he used in the movie.

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1) Yes, ideally the harness does need to account for the 2 central screws, but most repro emblems do not have the screw holes.

2) The cowl sits over the cape.

3) It is completely confirmed that in Forever & B&R the emblem flaps are rubberized canvas. They look that way on Returns photos, so probably also holds for the '89.
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