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As I said,it was all a guess,so I don't how close I actually am.

The flap on the cowl was in fact latexed canvas. This much I do know. Other than that,everything else is a guess.

I chose to do the holes just like the real thing,and I know the proper sequence for putting it together.
Nick,there are two center screws. They hold the cape on,but they're covered by the cowl flap.:wink
I used Chicago screws for everything,which are flat on both sides,and also the two center screws are slightly shorter than the perimeter screws,so the emblem sits flat.

The difference is,that they probably put it all together at once,meaning put on the harness,then chest,then cape,then cowl,and possibly one more solid plate over the canvas,then secured everything together,then the emblem.
I can do it exactly like this too,if that's how they did it.

OR,they did it the same way as I did,but used bigger screws for the cape. The two holes in the top plate are there only to let the already secured cape screws come through a little.

I'm still up in the air about another plate over the canvas. I have some tweaking to do on it,so I'll see,but I think it would better.

I specifically chose to put on everything up to the cape,then secure it with the two center holes. This is done for a reason.
For the actors,they had handlers and dressers---a small team to help them into the suit.

I don't have that luxury. Doing it this way means the cape can be secured with the two center screws first,then your hands are free to do the rest without the cape shifting out of place,or the chest,or anything.
Also,if I'm at a Halloween party or something,I can take off just the cowl and get a breather,and still have everything else exactly in place.

There's 12 screws total,so it sounds like a lot of work,but it's actually less work. A lot less work.
Before this,like last week,It all went together with velcro. Pretty standard.

This is a new cape;the one I was using was one of Paul's,which will now be for my Returns suit.
I used to have to put on the chest,which had velcro on it,then put the cape on,which had velcro both on top and underneath.
I would secure the cape to the chest and keep it in place.
But,every time I would put the cowl on,when I would lift my arms,the cape always shifted.
Now I'm trying to put on the cowl,line up the cape underneath,then line up the cowl and try to get everything centered while being restricted in a rubber suit.
The minute I moved my head,something would shift and nothing ever stayed in place,and it was put together really good.
On top of that,there was the weight of everything.

All of that is a thing of the past.
As I said,I've had it on about 6 times working it out,and I can have on what you see pictured in just over 5 minutes and it goes on exactly the same way every time. A perfect fit every time.
It just automatically lines up and fits perfect.

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If it just did one thing,that would be cool enough.
But it takes care of a few problems at once.

I have 7 capes.
One pleather,two Morris satin capes I got in 89,two full latex Artsee capes,and now this one.

My Artsee capes are awesome,huge and really heavy.
This one cape easily weighs as much as both of Paul's put together. No exaggeration.
It is friggin' HEAVY.
I've only had it on with the harness.
In fact,in order to wear this cape,the harness is necessary.
I can just put on the cape with no other costume parts and it just sits there suspended. You still feel the weight,but it isn't awkward or cumbersome,and it's very easy to handle and negotiate.

Anyway,I'll be doing another very soon,hopefully before the weekend because I have a wedding to go to Sat.
If I can't get it done before then,it'll be over the weekend.

This one will be for my Returns suit.
Wait til you see that one.
[sign in to see URL] won't see the suit over the [sign in to see URL]'m just doing the harness.:p
That's a story for another time.

John :flapbat

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Gary,is there reason I need to send them to you,or can you just copy and save them,or whatever?
Either way,no problem.

I'd definitely like to hear his input,or anything that might be improved on,if he remembers.

DavidYR1 once said he vaguely remembered seeing a stunt man at one of the Batman stunt shows an he [sign in to see URL],I don't [sign in to see URL],I [sign in to see URL] he said he saw what looked like a tight fitting tee shirt with an emblem shaped piece.

Bob D. also said this of one of his visits to the Batshop. Don't know if he saw it,or it was described to him,but there it is.

I had thought about something like an UnderAroumr sleeveless or something when I was doing this,and it's still not out of the realm of possibility.

Anyway,yeah,run it by him.

John :flapbat

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John- I was really just asking your permission- I'll forward them to him and I'll copy you into any relavent replies. Thanks. I will be using your design making one of these very soon! :up

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I was originally gonna say "like leather" for the emblem cowl tab, shoulda knew better in such a meticulous thread like this. The cowl flaps look like leather and were not apart of the cowl pull/sculpt is all i was tryin to say. I just didn't know exactly what they were made of.
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I wasn't trying to bite anyone's head off-- i just only had a quick minute to post a short reply.

John, you did a sweet job and I can't wait to see what is next!
-Tony

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Regarding the center screws, perhaps the two large screws simply fit through the large holes in the cowl flap but don't hold the flap down.
They simply hold the cape pieces together and the outer screws secure the cowl in place like your set up.

That would make technical sense and would fall in line with the practical "real life" aspect you discussed above.

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Regarding the center screws, perhaps the two large screws simply fit through the large holes in the cowl flap but don't hold the flap down.
They simply hold the cape pieces together and the outer screws secure the cowl in place like your set up.

That would make technical sense and would fall in line with the practical "real life" aspect you discussed above.


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The difference is,that they probably put it all together at once,meaning put on the harness,then chest,then cape,then cowl,and possibly one more solid plate over the canvas,then secured everything together,then the emblem.
I can do it exactly like this too,if that's how they did it.

OR,they did it the same way as I did,but used bigger screws for the cape. The two holes in the top plate are there only to let the already secured cape screws come through a little.


You're late. Already covered that.:)

John :flapbat

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I love what you did with that harness!! It all looks amazing!

In 89 the Keaton suit was being worn by someone here and doing appearances at shopping malls around the Greater Toronto [sign in to see URL] I went to take a bunch of photos of it. I've posted some over the years, and [sign in to see URL] went into the area where the guy was getting changed out of the suit. I dont have pictures of that, [sign in to see URL] he did have on what seemed to be a cut off shirt with no sleeves under the chest armor. I remember it having stripes on it but that's it. It could have been white with black stripes or in all honesty, black on black. I dont remember for sure and I wasnt paying attention to it at all. I was interested in the cowl at the time mostly. I even asked them how much it cost to [sign in to see URL] they didnt answer me...
That was when I saw how the cape had snap buttons on the back shoulder blades for when it goes over the shoulders it could 'snap' together so it wouldnt fall back over the chest. I also saw very small thin rubber protectors under the cape just at the emblem area. That's the area of most tension on the cape and they had something there keeping it from ripping.

That was a golden opportunity for [sign in to see URL] 20 years ago but I was too dumb (young...:)) to take advantage of what I was actually seeing. [sign in to see URL] bolted from a cousins wedding and had to get back before anyone noticed I was missing...:)

Either way, I dont think it really matters how they did it. This one here looks like it does the job just as well and the over all look is what counts in the end!!! Well done man!

David

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Great info David, I always love to hear any and all info about the 89 [sign in to see URL] would L-O-V-E to see the pics you took of the suit emoticon

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Tell me about [sign in to see URL] only I could go back in time..
I saw the Sonar and Robin Forever suits on display and was free to touch and inspect all I [sign in to see URL] with the Batman Returns [sign in to see URL] and Penguin outfits and the entire batcave computer set up from the second flick.
Talk about golden [sign in to see URL] opportunities to really study them [sign in to see URL] well...

In any [sign in to see URL]'s outfit rocks!! That harness idea really makes all the difference!

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