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Re: The elusive cape harness


I gave this a little thought,so while it's on my mind...

The real suit has only two holes in the chest for the harness.
If you'll notice the holes are bigger and the the screws are not Chicago screws. They are bigger,with 'bolt' like screws,which is why there's holes in the other gaskets,and divots in the emblem.
My guess is the perimeter screws are Chicago screws,but not the two center screws.

This makes perfect sense for the movie costume.
The chest is foam,so it's lighter and more fragile and,as PJ pointed out,perimeter holes would cause more stress. Everything is still locked,but there's no real weight on the chest,so it doesn't need supporting,but it's supports the cape.
These suits were also somewhat 'disposable'.

With our replicas,the weight of latex or urethane is much greater than the foam latex of the movie suits. They're also much more rigid,so they are a lot less likely to 'rip'.

The weight of our suits is what make them sag. Especially on a spandex type suit.
I believe it is ideal for our suits to be supported with the main target being the chest,and no so much the cape. The support of the cape will be an added bonus.
Looking at this further,I think that's what's really going on here. I set out to make a 'cape harness',and made a chest harness instead,as per our heavier suits.
I wasn't thinking foam latex;I was thinking slip latex.

In other words,by using all the holes in the chest,it gives it greater support,instead of just two holes.
With the foam,too many is a bad thing,and would actually create more stress.
With latex or urethane,more is better to distribute the stress more evenly,and not just on the two center points.
I believe by doing this,the cape will be supported that much better.

So by using a harness and twelve holes to support your latex or urethane chest,the support of the cape will naturally follow.

Just a thought.

John :flapbat

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Guys,

Once i have a the dimentions of all the emblems I will have no problem busting these out for all the emblems. Templets will be perfect, DFX files and Jpegs with Lengths and widths.

Since I have a feeling these are going to save alot of peoples backs Im guessing there going to move!

I want them as accurate as possible for everyone.

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Do you feel this set up is needed for a latexed cape? Doesn't seem like mine weighs all that much, really....I haven't suited all the way up, yet, so...I don't know what adding the cape to all else would do, but...I don't see that all is needed for a fairly light cape....

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You guys rock!

John, Paul, David, Jeremey.....
you're the ones who make this board great.

talk about an awesome Christmas present.
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Quote:

batjet3 wrote:

Do you feel this set up is needed for a latexed cape? Doesn't seem like mine weighs all that much, really....I haven't suited all the way up, yet, so...I don't know what adding the cape to all else would do, but...I don't see that all is needed for a fairly light cape....




Jet,

John explained it best when he stated it as a suit harness not just a cape harness. The suit being supported by your sholders and distributed evenly across the body will make a huge difference. It will release that aukward pull and sag the siut naturally has.

Im guessing youll get atleast another hour of comfort going this route.

It really does make alot of sence it you think about it!

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OKay -- that makes sense....

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I thought I'd bring this thread back from the dead. This harness is an innovation that is long overdue. Great job Blackwood bat. I'm going to attempt to make one of these harnesses for my Returns suit. I like how the cape sits with it. It really gives it that movie look. Plus it's more secure.

Did we ever get a 100% accurte template for the real emblem size? I have some really sweet emblems but I'm not sure how close they are to the real size. I kinda suspected that they might have shrank some due to the fact that they aren't first generation copies. I could be wrong. I'll probably just trace my emblem.

-Jason M

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Jeremy you had something in the pipeline- any news??

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Yeah, Jeremey -- any news on these "clips" to attach the cape to the chest?

:)


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Im bringing this thread back from the dead because a) its amazing work from John and input from everyone and new members should see that THIS is what this board is about and b) I have a question.

Its been discussed that in 89 the flap wasnt sculpted into the cowl, but added later on. My question is regarding the Returns suit which used the same idea but when we see the scene where Keaton is choosing his stuff and picks up the cowl, it really looks like the flap was always there.
Is this the case? Did they find a way to make the foam strong enough to have the flap sculpted on? Maybe reinforcing it from behind?
Or am I not seeing the lines through the camera magic and they were done the exact same way?

Thank you for John, Ill be using this for all my future suits. Simply amazing.

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