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TDK Belt - WIP


Greetings folks.

Its known by some that I have been dabbling in sculpting since Xmas. What I have been working on and towards is a screen accurate TDK/Begins Belt. Well, screen accurate as my very beginner skills will allow.

So tonight I thought I would share a pic of what I have thus far. These are just works in progress and still need a ton of work. But they are what I am calling masters for the time being.

The buckle is 2 pieces and about ready to pull a master mold off of. The other bare resin pieces were worked out last night and tonight and are basic shapes of what will be sealed and re molded. Hope you all enjoy ;)

I welcome any constructive criticism. As some times it takes an outsiders eye to spot an issue..


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How are you going to attatch them?

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very nice! plan on putting magnets in there?
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That looks sharp! :up

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and as for connecting the parts, I'm crossing my fingers for:

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it just seems to be the ideal way, even though not the easiest to achieve...
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i'd definitely be interested in a kit!
that's beautiful so far!
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Every link in this belt will have pins in it. And the last two links before the larger rear links will have removable links/ability to add more..

The back connection will be a magnet closure, but the details of that are still up in the air. I have 4 different ways drawn up and am weighing cost vs labor vs durability. I can say that this will also be adjustable with spacers.. so you feel with 7 links its too tight.. but 8 is just way too loose.. well, this is where the spacers come into play. FULLY ADJUSTABLE.

Magnets. Magnets. I dont know just yet. I spent nearly the cost of the guano kit on magnets for the last belt i built.. and I may have something up my sleeve instead of magnets.. it is again a labor Vs cost Vs durability issue..

Accessories at this time are in the air. I was planning on two boxes and two tubes. But am uncertain. Feedback there would be great.

AND-- the belt in that tutorial that was linked in this thread ([sign in to see URL] )is going to be for trade one of these nights, when i get around to posting it.. unless someone speaks up in PM first.

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Looks good so far.

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Very nice. If I was doing a begins suit, I'd be blowing your inbox up right now emoticon
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Keith, you are off to a great start man.

I agree with you on the pins. I had been toying with that idea as well using a rod or pin running from the big link, through the smaller middle link and back into the big link. I am a huge fan of this idea.

I also like the way you rounded the sides of the middle links. Definitely more accurate like that.

I was also thinking about the magnet thing, and I agree that there has to be a better way. Even if you permanently attach the containers to the belt. Magnets offer a variety of issues. Things falling off, electronics being messed up, etc.

Dude, you are totally in the right track.

Put me on the list of the "Lucky Few" please. :up

I will also be sending my measurements this weekend (before Sunday). Thanks for being patient with me.

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Youv got it MT... 9 spots left.. LOL.


Thanks for the kind words guys..


I am having a horrible time matching the color... I am now around [sign in to see URL] invested in spray paint.. I have tried them all... LOL.. anyone have any suggestions? I am going to take the pics i have to an auto paint store and hope for the best.

This is an unexpected hassle. I will now have to airbrush all the parts unless someone has the majic answer on the paint...


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Looks good so far.

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I am having a horrible time matching the color.


What are you trying to match the color to?
The real belt?

Most people went with Krylon Gilded Brass with the grapple guns(basically the same color as the belt),but in my opinion it's too bright.

Go with a darker brass color. It's a lot darker than most people think.

I found a perfect color a few years ago when I did mine,but I can't remember what it [sign in to see URL].
It was an 'off the shelf' spray paint,though.

Something to consider while you're still in the beginning stages,if it's important to you...
Each "I" link,as well as the back links are actually curved,and not flat.
No magnets in the belt either,which is a common misconception. Each metal strip inserted into the links are also curved.

Many people have complimented me on mine and it's accuracy,and I do appreciate it,however it is far from being accurate. There's so many things wrong with it,and I'd hate to see you make the same mistakes.

The real buckle can actually spin forward/backward completely around too. It's meant to flex with the movement of the body both back and forth,as well as up and down.

Making one accurate belt is quite an undertaking,let alone ten,so good luck with that.:lol

If I knew then what I know now,it would've been accurate. Maybe one day I'll fix it.

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Thanks for the kind words John,, still hope to see pics of yours some day. Assistance goes a long way ;)

I know theyre not magnets.. and that they are curved.. and that is part of my dilemma. I may use steel, and then magnets in the accessories.. for the novelty. I dont think ill be inserting them though. The pics I have look like there is a machined channel that they sit in.. I wont be going that route.

I didnt think the links were curved though. ill have to look closer. I do know that at least one of the back links is curved, and that is on the list of to-do's.

Off the shelf paint. Hmm. I have searched to my wits end. I have 3 more possibilities to shoot for tomorrow.. we will see what happens.

What i really want to see is
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Its not in any stores i have been in or called. I bought the darker version and its way too dark.

If you ever get a chance to shoot pics.. it would be super appreciated kbillan at [sign in to see URL]

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I didnt think the links were curved though.


I'm not sure if I'm saying it correctly.

To be more clear,not curved as in when you're looking at it straight on from the front,the top and bottom are curved. They're flat on the top and bottom.

The curve I mean is that they curve around your body,meaning if it was laying flat on a table,as in your pics,they're curved side to side,so they wouldn't really lay flat.
Looking directly at the link from the front,the top and bottom are flat. Looking down on it,it's contoured to wrap around.

Imagine a playing card laying flat on a table.
It's flat. Now pick it up and hold it by the sides,then squeeze a little and put it back down.
Now the center is slightly higher than the sides and it creates a 'hill' of sorts.
Now take seven cards(to represent seven links) and lay them flat side by side in a row. They would just lay flat.
Then take all seven cards, square them up and stack them,then squeeze them a little,and lay them flat again,side by side.
Instead of a flat surface,now they appear to be a series of seven 'bumps',if that makes any sense.
The idea is for them to naturally curve around your body.
Each metal strip is also curved this way to follow the contour of the link. Looking at them from the front,they're flat,but looking down on them from the top,they're curved slightly.

You may have already understood what I meant,but just in case I wasn't explaining it right.:wink

Also,that may very well be the paint I used. I'm about 95% sure it was. I'd say I either got it at Home Depot or Lowes.
It definitely wasn't Wal*Mart because I've never been in one. I don't even know what the inside of a Wal*Mart looks like,and I never will.

Here's the link to my belt from start to finish...
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EDIT:I just went through that thread and noticed lots of pics are missing. I definitely have them,so I'll have to go back and fix them. I might have moved them around in my photobucket account,and I think that screws it up if you do that.

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Here's a couple of quick shots for now....
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So yeah,I'll rearrange them when I get a chance.

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Good info and good pics. Your belt looks great. i hope mine is on par ;)


Check your pm..

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when it comes to color, i gotta say I always had a soft spot for the color used by the infamous Bronze Armory guy. The shape of his BB belt was nice too, it had a nice curve to sit on the hip, it wasn't a straight «V» if you catch my drift (and by the way i still find your belt amazing Blackwoodbat).
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Looks good, Keith.

For the center buckle did you just use the one from the Rubies belt?

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Have you considered maybe going the route of cold casting the pieces in a bronze?

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Ink-- yes and no. Yes i used the black part, but shopped the heck out of it as the rubies piece is tiny. I also used the top and bottom button, cut out of the rubies... the outer ring was machined in plastic and foam... and then it was all put together. There are some things i am going to change in the center dial yet.

I was originally going to do an aluminum belt but.. threw that out 3 months ago..


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Keith,as for the links being curved,I got that from what I would consider an extremely reliable source.
I was walked through the basic construction of it,i.e.,the curved links and pivotal buckle and how everything was assembled,and it all makes perfect sense.
I've never seen the belt up close myself and used as many pictures as I could find for reference,but this person did see it,and I believe him.

It's claimed the curve is very subtle,but it's there.

I'm only gong by what I was told,so I can't back this up through personal experience.:wink

The only drawback to this is,it would require a two piece mold,but casting it wouldn't be much different than a one piece mold.
It would probably be a [lack of a better word],a two piece 'push' mold,much like casting a miniature car body.

If that helps any.

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My thoughts on that are that my links will be flat.. LOL.

My back link ideas are these...

#1 im going to make the parts perfect flat and then see if boiling them makes them pliable.. if they are, i will find a form that will act as an anvil of sorts and just press it agains it for the curve.

When that doesnt work... plan b.... pulling a part as it is almost cured and then bending it... (thats actually how i got my C links close to perfect ;) after that i will make a new mold of the part and then have to HOG out the back with every part...

Luckily, i dont plan on making a ton of belts LOL...

the great news is that i primered a buckle and sanded it... and it turnout out great.. i made al new molds last night and am currently pulling beutiful buckles... should have a painted one by the end of the night..

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You know what I think I read somewhere? that the part shaped line an «I» (the so called links I guess)is not symetrical, in the sense that, in order to allow the belt to curve properly, the top half of each link is just a bit smaller, and the other half a bit [sign in to see URL] something like that. half way across the belt, like at the forth link, that principal is reversed: the top half is a bit wider, the bottom a bit narrower (sp?). creating that curved shape:

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Could anyone confirm this?

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You know what I think I read somewhere? that the part shaped line an «I» (the so called links I guess)is not symetrical, in the sense that, in order to allow the belt to curve properly, the top half of each link is just a bit smaller, and the other half a bit [sign in to see URL] something like that. half way across the belt, like at the forth link, that principal is reversed: the top half is a bit wider, the bottom a bit narrower (sp?). creating that curved shape:

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Could anyone confirm this?




Yup. Actually, if you look really closely at the pics available, its not only the tops and bottoms.. but the center section. The links from the 4th back appear to just be symmetrical. My belt will be the same.

NOW i need opinions...

here is a pic of an almost finished buckle next to my guano and rubies. I am having an IMPOSSIBLE time finding a color I want to use.

from top to bottom=
Krylon metallic gold over tan fuzion
Rustoleum Classic brass- over grey primer
rubies

then the links are done in classic bronze over bare plastic.. and "bronze" over primer..

I dont know what to do and im sick of wasting money on paint. Its about to be ghetto gold.

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The Middle Buckle is closest to the film colour in my opinion
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I understand your frustration Kbillan, our desire from authenticity can be expensive. Anyways, I prefer the one in the middle (Krylon metallic gold over tan fuzion if I understand correctly), its a less flashy color, has less of a «hey look at my bling bling» feel! Thanks for keeping us up to date, you're doing great!! :guitar
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MY buckle or the middle link??

unfortunately, your not here.. LOL. the buckle is SO dark in person. Im leaning towards the middle link...

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don't worry I'm back. No I was refering to the buckle in the middle of the picture. The two links next to it have a nice shade also.

 Evidently, a photo doesn't always give a faithful representation of the [sign in to see URL]'m guessing you used a flash to take these pics? like I mentionned earlier, I have a soft spot for the B.A. belt, shape and color, that's why I chose the second one.

Since you have them in front of you, if you feel this photo is too bright, (you mention the buckle being «so dark» in person, maybe its not the color to go [sign in to see URL] you take a picture without flash?
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i meant your not in my [sign in to see URL]


no flash in any of my pics...

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