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TDK Undersuit fabric suggestions and links.


The Undersuit material for TDK has... more or less, been quite the quandary for many of us. As to the origin, or what it resembles.. we've guessed that it's like what is used on backpacks, or shoes. Or in other cases, car seats.

So, here's what i've found so far.
We need to be looking for AIR MESH FABRICS.

My results have only brought me thus far. I'm still looking for the proper colors and other potential distributors.

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Basically... I'm looking for a reliable source.
I think the pattern on this one is pretty close.. But obviously it's white. I can't find the pattern seen here in grey. Could it be dyed?
I WANT TO GET THIS FABRIC RIGHT!


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The stuff shown is 100% polyester, so I would say the average person will not be able to dye it at home.

Get the ]Athletic Mesh here.

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sorry, doesn't look close enough.

Also, there is a way to dye polyester. It involves rubbing alcohol vs. water, and using an iron to seal the color.

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I was walking by a co-workers desk that rides motorcycles and saw exactly what the undersuit is made of as part of the jacket. see the link above for appearance. Now we just need to find out where this is available in bulk.

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Sorry for the double post.
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That's the same collins gate material as shown before Arche :up

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Woah, sorry.... I'm not buying that collins gate stuff. It looks odd, not to mention, Why would they use a mesh that they would have to layer on top of another undersuit?
That's a bad idea in general. Too much risk for puckering. If you look at the neck on TDK suit, the mesh and the underlying material are all part of the same weave. Otherwise you would see much more material puckering, or sliding.

I will not be buying a mesh that i have to double layer.
BTW that motorcycle jacket stuff looks off as well. The mesh is too big, and it looks too rough.

Just in case you forgot what the undersuit fabric looks like....
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That looks pretty darn close. Nice find. My only concern is the size of the holes. Difficult to tell from a picture like that if they are approximately the right size.

I think we may be left to find something "close" as I understand the screen used stuff is not off the shelf material.

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I'm seeing two layers of fabric: the mesh that everyone's been looking for, and a ribbed material beneath that.

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Those are definitely two layers, and they certainly cannot be a part of the same weave. The material underneath can't be seen most of the time and appears to be there purely to enhance the depth of the mesh, as the translucent armor plating only replicates the (unstretched) mesh pattern (hence the brick appearance).
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I'm seeing two layers of fabric: the mesh that everyone's been looking for, and a ribbed material beneath that.

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Those are definitely two layers, and they certainly cannot be a part of the same weave. The material underneath can't be seen most of the time and appears to be there purely to enhance the depth of the mesh, as the translucent armor plating only replicates the (unstretched) mesh pattern (hence the brick appearance).



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Its one of two things - either a neoprene/poly mesh that the pattern is woven into, or is an elastic weft with an underarmour undersuit is what I heard way back when... if you look at the Toys R Us photos - you can actually see the forms "white" coming through.

Otherwise, youll have to find someone to make it for you, ie, Universal Designs/DavidYr1 or some kind of produtction house. There is a supplier in the UK who also has it...

and its not that its doubled up - its a deep weave - Mueller has an elbow brace with the same exact pattern/material

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Otherwise, youll have to find someone to make it for you, ie, Universal Designs/DavidYr1 or some kind of produtction house. There is a supplier in the UK who also has it...




[sign in to see URL] and No. I get enough emails and phone calls for costume stuff like this every single day and I really dont need any more.


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David, you have wonderful timing. Did your "costume request" alarm go off?

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David, you have wonderful timing. Did your "costume request" alarm go off?



 
Actually yes, it did... :lol

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I still think this mesh idea is a bit overkill. No offense for someone wanting to go "perfect"...but I saw TDK for the third time tonight, and if we never saw these close up pictures then it would have been really hard to tell it was even there. I say focus on the armor, cape, cowl, gauntlets and gloves first before running around trying to find a fabric that may or may not work. These suits are hard enough to put together with out worrying how you are going to secure mesh to a suit then armor on top of it. Doesnt sound like fun to me at all.
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I still think this mesh idea is a bit overkill. No offense for someone wanting to go "perfect"...but I saw TDK for the third time tonight, and if we never saw these close up pictures then it would have been really hard to tell it was even there. I say focus on the armor, cape, cowl, gauntlets and gloves first before running around trying to find a fabric that may or may not work. These suits are hard enough to put together with out worrying how you are going to secure mesh to a suit then armor on top of it. Doesnt sound like fun to me at all.



Not striving for accuracy gets us glorified Rubies costumes. As far as I'm concerned, the mesh and segmented armor plates make this suit, and skimping out on either of these really lessens the impact.
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Everybody goes for a different level of accuracy. No direction is right or wrong. If some brothers want to go to hell and back to get an accurate undersuit, what is wrong with that? Not everybody has to do the same.

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Hey I personally don't care what people do to create their vision.
I used to be the same [sign in to see URL] then I realized i was trying to be super accurate pretty much for this board only. Noone last halloween cared that my cape wasnt correct, or the boots were not even close.
I just kinda made the mistake of spending alot to get very little out of it. Sorry to be [sign in to see URL] if your goal is to go visit kids in the hospital dressed as the bat (as mine is)...they are not going to care how accurate it is. I have just seen a ton of posts about where to find this mesh at, when they don't even have armor or a cowl yet.
The unfortunate part of this hobby for the majority of us [sign in to see URL] suits will never actually be accurate until they are done out of foam latex anyway. I just would rather see some brothers get a fairly accurate suit together to enjoy this halloween, which I suspect the majority will do, and put the mass produced costumes to shame (which everyone else will be wearing lol).
 
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[sign in to see URL] actually do hope to see a completed TDK suit being done accuratly. Sorry I didnt mean to make it seem as if I don't. I just hope you guys get it together fairly quick. I am redoing my Begins again and praying I have it done by Halloween. I just know how difficult it can be just to get a suit together and I was really trying to offer advice to not sweat the small details until you actually have the time to do it. I guess I don't. My life is fairly busy. I have been sitting on guanos belt kit for months now (still in the box) and I have the proper material now to do the cape but no sewing machine. Everytime it seems like I am off my days are filled with other stuff. But I will kick myself in three months if I don't take the time to get it done.
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Did a bit of quick research based on the biker jacket posted above and Archytextural is correct this is the fabric used for the suit. Based on the suit interview posted on the board a few weeks ago the material used is similar to what bmx riders use to keep them cool, the fabric that the biker jacket is made of allows for your body to ventilate. I dug deeper and found a better pic from the same jacket manufacture and when compared to the actual suit you will see it in fact is that same fabric.

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Now for some names the fabric in the above picture is being called 1000 denier cordura mesh. I can only find the fabric with this name that is not a mesh. Maybe some bros with better search skills will find one. Im thinking of also e-mailing the jacket makers to see if the will tell me a source for the material.

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Great! Considering how different this suit is from all the previous movie costumes, it almost seems as if actually sculpting the armor will be the easiest part! :lol

We just need to track down the "under-undersuit" and we'll have, more or less, a complete list of materials, correct?
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Nice find, Keith...

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good work guys! If it weren't for you diligent bats, I wouldn't be anywhere :lol
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In some of the pics of the close up is it me or does it look a little like the armor is stitched on?
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I stand corrected!

That's what you get with high-res pictures and insider info!

Thank you Hudson, for a proper comparison shot of the [sign in to see URL] illuminating my path :applaude

I think that the next course of action...
(besides finding a *source* for the fabric)

Would be to find the ACCURATE elastic strapping used for the shoulders!

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Have you all considered that the fabric was made out of AWESOMENESS because Batman is so awesome?

I was just wondering. Really, back to the topic at hand.

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I totally forgot about the TDK production notes file...

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The new Batsuit is comprised of 110 separate pieces. The base layer of the suit
was made of a polyester mesh material, which is employed by the military and high-tech
sports manufacturers because of its moisture-wicking properties. Then individually
molded pieces of flexible urethane were attached to the mesh to form the overall armor
plating. For added protection, carbon fiber panels, which are light yet incredibly strong
and resistant, were placed inside a select group of the urethane pieces around the legs,
chest and abdomen.



Seals the deal on the c-fiber.

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Update... I have found the company that manufactures this fabric and I am awaiting a response on how I can get this fabric.

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Go Keith go! emoticon

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