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Begins Closet pictures and info.


I am trying to find out if anyone has any pictures of the front of the begins closet or any other pictures of the closet besides the one picture of it floating around. Also does anyone have the actual dimensions of the screen used begins closet? I know a few people have made there own closets, but I am trying to do some research to eventually create my own as screen accurate as possible. Thanks.

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Re: Begins Closet pics & Info... anyone?


A member (Gregday) replicated one a while back...maybe talking to him would get you on the right track.

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Re: Begins Closet pics & Info... anyone?


Actually here's a link to some info. - in which Gregday answers some questions about sizing and whatnot.

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I made myself a mold of a Baldwin brass marine pull and then made dozens of copies of it.

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It's the same hardware you see in the film. The same brand and the same size.

Everyone who's made one of their own closets, seems insistent on buying new metal pulls, made out of a shiny brass. If you made a bunch of dummy resin copies, you could then spray them the exact color they are on screen, not only making the handles screen accurate, but saving yourself a fortune.

The on screen ones are more of a bronze color. You can't get that with new brass,unless you color them, so what's the point of getting new brass hardware? Everyone who's made one of these closets, complains about the cost of the hardware being the big drawback.

Make your own and save yourself a fortune. They don't need to be functional either.

To me... It makes sense.

That way, you could then use the money you save and buy some good quality wood and the right hinges for either door. I have yet to see someone make one of these closets out of the right material and stain it properly.








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I've seriously contemplated making multiple and exact copies of this closet. There just doesn't seem to be that much of a calling to make it and pay the price I'd charge and then ship it to someone. I don't believe it's a trademarked item... It's just a closet in a movie.


Now... Is this just a facade/rear wall, for you to place inside an existing closet of yours or are you looking for a free standing unit?

Either way, to make it "functional", would be useless. Most of the shelves are up too high to possibly use effectively and a couple of them have the shelves in the way.


This is the biggest and most detailed picture...

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I'm stealing people's pictures, rather than uploading them to my Photobucket album



Three guys, that I know of, have done this closet... Bob Dullam, Gregday and Rupidupe. Dullam's is most accurate.

Dullam's...

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Here's some more pics... HERE


Rupidupe's...

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And his thread on it... http://www.runboard.com/bbrotherhoodofthebat.f4.t201886


Gregday has supplied some sizes for his closet here... http://www.runboard.com/bbrotherhoodofthebat.f4.t199776|offset=10

Bob's closet is pretty close in dimensions, as far as the insides. The only things I can find that's not accurate, are the four top drawer faces are too wide and that he chose to use oak. Another smaller detail that isn't exact, is the roundover he put on each drawer face. It looks like he used a 3/8" roundover, rather than what looks like a 1/4" roundover bit, based on the screen pictures.

Rupidupe didn't round his drawer faces over at all. His drawer faces are all the wrong sizes and spaced too widely apart. He didn't condition the pine before staining it and hasn't put a sealer on it either. The color is way off too. It's WAY too dark and red. And the choice of plywood for the inside walls is the wrong one to use. It's good for structure, but he should have skinned it with something else.

The inside is one thing, but the outside of the cabinet is something else entirely.

The outside of the screen used doors are peeling away in some areas. There's definitely a veneer on the exterior of the doors. That dates the piece. The exterior of armoires were always used with the "showcase" woods and sometimes given the extra attention, by being veneered with something and cutting it to a "crotch" pattern or a "chess" pattern or something like that. The attention was typically given more to the outside, and the inside compartments usually suffered in both wood quality, as well as craftsmanship.

Not to burst anyone's bubbles, as far as antiques, but the basic structure of most bureaus, armoires and hutches, were all mostly made out of crap wood and then a skin/veneer was applied to them.


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The first one shows a circular design that's split by the two doors, while the second one shows the veneer in greater detail.

The interior wood, of the cabinet we see in the photos, could have been anything that the cabinetmaker had laying around, when it was made. But that would be as if the film makers just grabbed an old antique and wired a light into it, which is possible. I doubt they made that thing FOR the film. But you never know.

The wood itself could seriously be ANYTHING.

I've messed with furniture that were made out of the weirdest things, depending on what country or what part of that country, the piece was made from.

I've seen strange woods like pecan, butternut, olive, elm, cypress, boxwood, gum... You name it. It's common to find furniture made out of all types of woods. From those pictures, it's definitely not it's natural color. The wood that's inside that ridiculous box is most definitely stained to look like something it's not.

If you wanted to make it, you should just go down to your available lumber yard that stocks hard to find stuff and just see what they've got.

The more common and easier to find woods, with generic grain patterns to stain and give the illusion that they're something they're not, are alder, white birch, clear pine, beech and a few others. DON'T get maple! It's great for paint grade stuff, but it does NOT accept a stain! You have to dye it. It's too hard to accept a stain. It's grain is far too dense.

Of course a lot of furniture makers DO use maple... But their chemicals that absorb into the wood, AREN'T the ones you and I get at the stores. Their stuff is pretty serious ****, not the watery snot like Minwax.


I also notice that the hinges for the screen version doors, aren't your typical pinned/3 tab butt hinge... They're what's called a "Lift-Off hinge"...

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The bottom plate has a pin that's permanently part of it and the upper plate has a hole that the pin slides into. You can easily remove the whole door, by opening it and lifting it up and off the bottom half of the hinge.

And the screen version has FOUR full sets of hinges (four on each door)... NOT the three sets that everyone else is using. If you look at this picture again, you can CLEARLY see that there are FOUR hinges...

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It'd be great if Bob Dullam could supply his dimensions from his closet.





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Did anyone save any of Gregday's closet pictures? I can't find them.







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I think Causey knows more about the closet they did than Dullam. But I could be wrong.

That is some great expert info, Liam. Thank you for taking the time to put that all together. I do plan on working on this closet in the new year to put in my home theatre and your homework will prove to be very valuable. Wish you lived closer as I would rather just commission you. I'm sure I couldn't afford you anyway. :lol

And I am doing just that with the drawer pulls - resin copies. Thanks to Liam for the idea and the copies. ;) A working closet would take too much space and as Liam said, the drawers are mostly all blocked by shelves and the rubber torso so you couldn't open them anyway.

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Oh, did Bob Causey make the closet? I always thought it was Bob Dullam.






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Oh man! My poor little project just got savaged! LOL! Hey all, I had to scale down the dimensions for width on my closet based on where it was going to go. You'll see more about that soon. Also, I knew that the color etc, would be off but it all fits what I'm doing and where it's going.

To make the drawer faces all the correct measurements etc the cabinet would have to be nearly 8 feet tall or so it seems. I think the project came out fairly well even though I'm off from screen accurate.

I'd love to see someone actually make one the same dimensions and material types from the movie! Please post project pics!

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I would scale the thing to be pretty close to 84" x 46", outside dimensions. And that's with a crown molding on top, if it were made as a free floating, full structure, as seen in the film. The inside dimensions would of course be smaller than that. And maybe about 28" to 30" deep.





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