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What would be the best way to care for a foam cowl? I'll be wearing mine, since I value comfort so much. Rinse the inside and armor all the outside? I'll be keeping out of the hot sun, lol.

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Oh, and if I may...

another newbie question--

just exactly what is a "flesh" cowl?

Though it sounds like something Hanibal Lecter, Ed Gein, Jame Gumb, Jerry Brudos, Thomas Brown Hewitt, or Bubba Sawyer might really enjoy... I suspect it is actually something more like a very soft silicone?

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You are correct good sir :up

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let me add this in general:
 lets say you had a nice long day with your suit. You threw the cowl in a corner. You then forgot what corner you threw that cowl in and threw a book on top of it. Now it DOESN'T MATTER what material the cowl is made of, if the book has caused a sharp crease in the rubber for... 2 - 3 days? THAT CREASE WILL NEVER COME OUT. Treat all this stuff with care. I would say armourall is good for most all rubber stuff. It's got silicone which will block some U.V. light. You don't have to be paranoid about the U.V. light, just don't leave it exposed for hrs. a day. On ALL cowls regardless of material dust the inside with baby powder BEFORE pulling it on. Baby powder is our friend. It will absourb sweat. Keep us somewhat cooler. It keeps the tension off a thin area like the face opening which will cause tears if dry rubber is scraping against dry skin. Baby powder makes it all slide on more easily. Now you know why the TDK suit was designed the way it was. SIMPLICITY. MODULAR. Cowl that stops before it hits the neck goes on and off easier. suit with multiple pieces that can be replaced, instead of ditching an entire torso because one bicep went bad. You could say that the TDK suit "is not about fasion" lol.. but just like story line describes it. The iron man suit is modular.

  If you sweat like mad, foam latex can be gently washed. a little dish soap/water will eliminate sweat, and it dries with a nice smell. gently squeeze out excess water, and let dry for a few days, or use a hair dryer on LOW heat. Make sure it's bone dry, and dust inside with baby powder, spray the outside with armourall. You can do this with Urethane, slip, or silicone. I run mine under water in the bathtub with a little lemon scent dishsoap to cut skin oil. Don't have to do this everytime you wear it, maybe 1 outa 5, or more.
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Bob :applaude

your words are wisdom to us all. i appreciate everything i read of yours as it helps me understand a great deal. thank you for contributing to this thread even though i had no part in creating it. it is just very interesting to me.
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It goes without saying it is very important how you store this stuff. After an event, I always put my stuff back on the display setup. Cowl stand, mannequin torso, and hang the legs up in the closet. I left my J cowl on a table for a couple of days and the neck shape changed for a little while.
Thanks for the info again Bob.

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MannieBothans wrote:

Oh, and if I may...

another newbie question--

just exactly what is a "flesh" cowl?

Though it sounds like something Hanibal Lecter, Ed Gein, Jame Gumb, Jerry Brudos, Thomas Brown Hewitt, or Bubba Sawyer might really enjoy... I suspect it is actually something more like a very soft silicone?



The flesh material is a silicone based rubber DAVIDYR1 came up with. Its similar to Dragon Skin which is a product that Smooth-On makes which stretches many many times but still returns to the original shape, but I believe his is even softer.

They are said to be as comfy as foam cowls although they can be pretty heavy.

Hope that helps.

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youngbat wrote:

let me add this in general:
 lets say you had a nice long day with your suit. You threw the cowl in a corner. You then forgot what corner you threw that cowl in and threw a book on top of it. Now it DOESN'T MATTER what material the cowl is made of, if the book has caused a sharp crease in the rubber for... 2 - 3 days? THAT CREASE WILL NEVER COME OUT. Treat all this stuff with care. I would say armourall is good for most all rubber stuff. It's got silicone which will block some U.V. light. You don't have to be paranoid about the U.V. light, just don't leave it exposed for hrs. a day. On ALL cowls regardless of material dust the inside with baby powder BEFORE pulling it on. Baby powder is our friend. It will absourb sweat. Keep us somewhat cooler. It keeps the tension off a thin area like the face opening which will cause tears if dry rubber is scraping against dry skin. Baby powder makes it all slide on more easily. Now you know why the TDK suit was designed the way it was. SIMPLICITY. MODULAR. Cowl that stops before it hits the neck goes on and off easier. suit with multiple pieces that can be replaced, instead of ditching an entire torso because one bicep went bad. You could say that the TDK suit "is not about fasion" lol.. but just like story line describes it. The iron man suit is modular.

  If you sweat like mad, foam latex can be gently washed. a little dish soap/water will eliminate sweat, and it dries with a nice smell. gently squeeze out excess water, and let dry for a few days, or use a hair dryer on LOW heat. Make sure it's bone dry, and dust inside with baby powder, spray the outside with armourall. You can do this with Urethane, slip, or silicone. I run mine under water in the bathtub with a little lemon scent dishsoap to cut skin oil. Don't have to do this everytime you wear it, maybe 1 outa 5, or more.




Well said!!
Your material comparisons are bang on.

Anything, even fabric cowls will suffer from continued exposure to sunlight or strong spotlights.

Your application is the best way to determine your material and no matter what it is, it won't last long if you don't take care of it.
My two cents,
Chuck...


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Armor-All vs 303


Okay, now bring on the debate about Armor-All vs 303...

http://www.303products.com/tech/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=428

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Here's what I dug up in about 5 seconds. I'm sure there will be other stuff on the net that gives an opposing point of view.


Ahem....Armorall company has always supported Axtell Expressions use of Armorall on rubber and for 25 years has been working with us. Here is the Frequently ask question on their site.... http://www.armorall.com/faq/pages/protectant.html#faqtop

Q: Can I use Armor All® Protectant on rubber?

A: Yes. Armor All Protectant products are specially designed to protect, clean and shine rubber surfaces. Using Armor All Protectant regularly is an easy way to help protect your rubber surfaces from cracking, UV damage, fading or discoloration.


Further someone said it contained alcohol, make sure you are using their ARMORALL PROTECTANT as we direct.

The ingredients of Armorall Protectant are:


Cas: 7732-18-5
RTECS #: ZC0110000
Name: WATER
% Wt: 50 - 99

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Name: SILICON EMULSION
% Wt: 0 - 50

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Cas: 50-70-4
RTECS #: LZ4290000
Name: SORBITOL
% Wt: 0 - 10

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Name: ARMOR ALL CONCENTRATE
% Wt: 1 - 5


The source of the MSDS sheet for Armorall is

http://www.emedco.com/emed2/resource/msds/msds_view.asp?md=msds&pd=ca&pf=cbsjn


As far as I know, armorall does not contain petrolem by products. Unless there is a type of armorall that does. again the main enemies of latex are: copper
           oil (petroleum)
           U.V. light
all forms of latex. including your car tires. sometime if you happen pour a really thick skin of slip cast latex, you may happen to notice how much it smells like a car tire after it has been cured. I used to notice that, back when I was using a lot of slip cast latex. Car tires use a combo of latex and some other synthetic materials. Or at least used to.

Note: I just clicked the link to the MSDS sheet on armorall, and could not find it. it has to be out there somewhere. I also have some books and videos on the subject of latex and will do some homework on it.


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