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Stunning!
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on the clay question: I use NSP hard chavant, on this particular sculpt, but I've used lots of others, It just happened that the local distributor had this in stock. I really miss the old formula of J525.
 Basically I can use anything, cept' water clay. I have used water clay, but I never really feel comfortable with it. like I'm constantly fighting the too wet/too dry thing. Never can get used to that.
  I goto hobby lobby and get a styrofoam wig head for an armature. the thing that's nice about a wig head is that there's a hole in the bottom which you can stick on a pole, like I've done in these pics. And then you can easily rotate it, and most importantly take it off, and lay it on it's back when you have to get to certain areas, or want to move it around to get different lighting. You want something you can move around easily, and that's light.
 Also note that I'm stopping at the neck. I don't know what sort of tilt I may want the head in, so with a hard copy, I can position it, then add a collar bone/upper shoulder area in clay, and cast it all up with scars, eyes pointing some way, and expression.
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Very informative! Thank you!
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that's a really smart technique, going with the general structure of the face and re-arranging it later on. Great work on this so far!

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You nailed it! Best Ledger likeness yet. :up :up :up

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much thanks all.
This is just a study guide. It will end up the joker, but I'm taking this in baby steps, because without really having a handle on his likeness, and really what happens to his face underneath all the paint, you can end up with a not-so heath ledger joker. i.e. how much does the skin between his eyes really wrinkle, when he does a mean look, or is it the makeup making it seem like it's wrinkling more that it actually did. And how much of the bulge on the cheeks is from the appliances, and how much is a result of his natural anatomy.
Now I can actually watch the film, and see him underneath all the stuff. The scar appliances were really quite thin, small, almost as small as possible, I think.
So, I'll finish this - and the ears too, cast it, and then come back to this clay and change the expression.
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That's some good info. I'll have to try this approach.

Bob,I'm working on a bald Heath bust as well,which is on hold at the moment due to other priorities,but nearing completion.
I don't want to hijack your thread,but would you mind if I posted some pics of it in this thread for some advice,critique and comparison?

John :flapbat

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Of course post your pics here.. but don't use these 3 pictures as a reference. I'll tell you why. Yours will end up looking like mine, and you don't want that. You want to spend the time of thinking the form through in your head so that you have YOUR understanding of how his head was put together. It's like trying to understand math without actually going through the mental process. you can't. Also, you don't want to compare yours to mine, you want to compare yours to him. If you do compare yours to mine, you are assuming then that I have done all that could be done, and that's not true. You would also be negating the possibility that you may end up seeing things that I may have missed.
  I don't use any elses work for reference ever. unless what I'm doing is some prop from a film, but not someone's interpetation of that prop. Sure I will look at someone's work, but only as a fan, not a student.
 Keep in mind that a person's face changes alot. constantly. and in the case of the joker, x's a K. So to even end with a good rep. of him as the joker, it's not a quick and dirty project.
  I started out messing around with just a joker, and quickly realized it doesn't work. At least not for me. Hence following my footsteps may not work for everyone. So all I'm saying here is that this path has given ME the most progress so far. I'm actually getting somewhere, but it doesn't mean that this is the only way.
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Yeah,I know what you're saying. I think 'comparison' might have been a poor choice of words.
I think more of 'advice' and 'critique',given it's the same character and similar sculpt,so if it's something I can improve,that would be great.
Things like general shape of the head,proportions,features,etc.
I think my problem areas are the eyes/brow/lids,and maybe above the lip.
I jumped into it as the Joker right out of the gate,so maybe that's my biggest obstacle.
I'll post some pics.
 
John:flapbat

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