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I think he could do an older Bruce. I saw some extra on some dvd where Conroy talked about not having any awareness of Batman when he got the job. He only understood the part when someone told him, "It's like 'Hamlet' in a comic book." Not a bad way to look at it, eh?

Old Bruce doesn't do much except yell, "Terry...get out of there!" or give him hell on the bat-com...so yeah, why not?

Theatre acting is light years from tv or movie acting. I know most of you are probably aware of this, but what the hey. In theatre you're playing to the last row of the balcony, so it has to be big. A movie screen is huge, so that would look just goofy...and TV is small and intimate, so theatre acting looks odd there, too. Some people do both equally well, but they are really two different sets of skills.

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"but I think that's what stage-work relies on... Overacting. He's an over-actor."

stage acting...and soap operas...and voice acting...which is pretty much his mostly what he's done...skott

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I was just reading about kevin conroy's career on imdb.com and someone on their forum had an interesting idea..

How cool would it be to see kevin conroy do a cameo in the next batman movie? just some small role, a simple nod to the tv show thats been creating a new generation of bat-followers..
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I think it would be a spit in the face to have him be in a Batman film not as Batman. Plus, I wouldn't really want to see him in yet another bad Batman movie. If they ask him I hope he would have the good sense to stay far away. Very far away. It's bad enough that I like Bale even though I hate Begins.
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Gawd, youre such a damned purist! :banghead :banghead :banghead

lmao :lol

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Gawd, youre such a damned purist! :banghead :banghead :banghead

lmao :lol



Yeah, I hate to see iconic heroes that I love destroyed...I'm funny like that
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Terry McGinnis wrote:

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PatrickJ wrote:

Gawd, youre such a damned purist! :banghead :banghead :banghead

lmao :lol



Yeah, I hate to see iconic heroes that I love destroyed...I'm funny like that



Yet you talk up the merits of Dean Cain and Louis and Clark? Not a big Superman fan then? :wink

Kevin Conroy indisputeably has the voice. Not sure what his live action acting is like.
But with lighting and appliances I'm sure he could pull it off.
Highly unlikely that a live action Beyond would ever reach the screens, but it was a very good show. Shame it was quite short lived.




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Yet you talk up the merits of Dean Cain and Louis and Clark? Not a big Superman fan then? :wink



I've never claimed Lois and Clark was a perfect show, nor that Dean Cain was the end all to be all Superman. However, I do view him as the best and most true representation of the character in live action format. Far more than Chris Reeve (who was horrible) and the movies he stared in. I'm not looking forward to Routh either. As Singer seems obsessed with the Reeve films and will no doubt try to recapture the crap-fest that they were. Combined with the other abysmal casting of the new flick and the suit it isn't something I'm excited about. (I was looking more forward to Begins if that gives you any indication).

But, as you pointed out, I am not a huge Superman fan. I do like him but not enough that I am really worked up over Superman Returns. I'm fairly apathetic towards its release. Well, maybe disappointed. As I do like Singer and his work thus far. And like most I was quite happy with the way he pulled off X-Men, changing minor things but only for the sake of story telling yet staying quite true to the essence of the characters. I'm worried he will only be staying true to the essence of the Reeve Superman and not the comic book version (which in my opinion are HIGHLY different).

Lois and Clark wasn't a perfect show. Their Lex Luthor is NOTHING compared to Smallville's Micheal Rosenbaum (pretty much no one can touch him, he embodies Lex). It's just too bad that Rosenbaum is on a show with such a great character and amazing acting ability yet horrible plot after horrible plot. Lois and Clark had it's flaws, yet I still find it to be far superior than anything that has come before in terms of live action Superman.


Now, back to the main man Conroy!

Yes, it is incredible unlikely of a live action Beyond in TV or film, but it's still interesting to think about. I totally agree that I could see him playing old Bruce, yelling at Terry from the Batcave. Infact, I just happened to notice that on Beyond they often draw a cut/line on Bruce's upper lip and Conroy himself seems to have that same marking. I thought that was a nice touch, even if it is by accident. It was most certainly a shame that it was short lived, and the bit with Terry in Epilogue on JLU was great (even if I still don't know how I feel about that whole ordeal). Even the very small cameo of a Beyond-esque Batman in a recent issue of Batman/Superman in a parallel/future universe of some kind was great. I say Beyond-esque because Bruce called him on the comlink "Tim" not "Terry". An interesting and not entirely unrealistic take I believe.
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Yeah, I hate to see iconic heroes that I love destroyed...I'm funny like that



The interesting thing is Keaton and Burton breathed new life into the Batman legend- up until then most people only knew the Adam west version- we have to accept that big budget movies are NEVER going to be what we might want as ,in order to make their money, they have to appeal to a wide audience. We must also remember that they introduce the next gen into comics and discovering the source of their favourite movies.
As for Conroy - I'd love to see him have a shot at the older Bruce Wayne, I figure with modern make-up techniques and a little CGI it would be easy to make him the correst age.
As for Mr Hamill- Lay off - the man is a good actor - you do not acheive what he has acheived by being crap. I saw him in an outer limits or a twilight zone one time and thought he was great.

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This thread is taking a turn further and further away from what I was talking about but ok.

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we have to accept that big budget movies are NEVER going to be what we might want as ,in order to make their money, they have to appeal to a wide audience.



I hear this excuse all the time. And I do view it as an excuse because it doesn't support fact and therefore isn't evidence as many try to pass it off as.

There are plenty of films that translate the comics, or any source material for that matter, both accurately and as faithfully as possible. The first and most true to form is of course "Sin City". This movie is panel for frame DEAD ON. Lines of dialogue aren't even changed. Hell, it's color synced. Last I heard that movie was a box office hit. appealing to not just comic book readers or Frank Millar fans but, ironically, to a wide audience. However, to be fair, Sin City isn't like Batman and Superman in that it doesn't have 65 years of history behind it. No rotating artists and writers.

Which leads us to films like Spiderman and X-Men. Films that, again, appeal to wide audiences and both (especially Spiderman) were box office successes. While they do change things such as Pete has organic webshooters is the fist big thing that springs to mind in spiderman and Hugh Jackman is 6'2" or so when Wolvy is only about 5'8". The core of the character, the thing that makes them who they are and the reasons we like them remain intact. Spiderman didn't tote a gun and shoot at people and he learned that "with great power, comes great responsibility". Wolverine called Cyclops a "d!ck". And there are many more examples. The point is the changes made didn't corrupt the integrity of the characters. AND they still got a main stream audience.

I find it insulting when I hear things like "it just wouldn't be believable if Batman didn't wear armor". There's an audience, some of us right here, that have been believing it for years. Clearly there is an audience that likes Batman the way he is in the comics. Why is it hard to believe that a "main stream" audience wouldn't as well? In fact, I think most people went and saw Begins solely because it was a Batman film. knowing nothing of the plot or really even caring. Odds are they still would have liked it even if Batman wasn't wearing latex. People like it because they like heroes and they don't know about the true character in the comics so the poor substitute seems fine to them.

I guess it comes down to my lack of understanding. I can't understand how so many comic fans choose to just settle or make do with what we've been given. That's no way to get anything wonderful done. You have to say what you like and say what you don't. I also can't understand why filmmakers feel that they MUST change the character beyond recognition. I don't want to see a new take or a reinvention I want to see my favorite character come to life, the way he was on the page. The thing I can't understand most though is why WB chooses to operate in this manner. Why do they choose to alienate the long time fans? For the sake of the mass audience? That just doesn't make sense to me because, as I already said, I think people would go to see the film about "Batman" no matter what it was called and if he drove a tank or not. All they are doing by changing things is pissing on 65 years of work and history and making fans, the comic book fans like me, upset and disappointed. It just boggles my mind how they can come so close and be so far off. Casting Bale was that smartest thing the Batman franchise has ever done. Give him another latex suit and a tank to drive was damn near he worst. I guess I'll just never understand it.
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