Flash Dixon
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Are all superhero movies ruined by Hollywood?
I'm sure this subject has been addressed before, but I'll ask again. How does Hollywood manage to ruin every superhero property that they get their money grubbing hands on? Maybe not all, but at least the majority of them. Spideman, Hellboy, and The Rocketeer are about the only ones I can think of that didn't in some way aggravate me. Not that they didn't have flaws.
So here's my question. Is it ignorance, greed, or just a complete disregard of the source material that spoils an otherwise great chance to do the movie the way it should be done? And why do they keep screwing it up? I know this is akin to asking "How high is up?", but there has to be an explanation.
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6/24/2006, 4:27 pm
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Re: Are all superhero movies ruined by Hollywood?
I think the problem isnt that they disregard the source matierial (altough they do sometimes) its just the simple fact that we are used to seeing these charecters on paper, thats the version we are familliar with and they have been around forever and will be for a long time coming (god willing). however when they are trying to transfer that to the big screen there is allways going to have to be some condensing or changing of matierial to translate said matierial to that medium. Not only because of time constraints (30 yrs of x-men comix vs. a 2hr x-men movie) but also to intrest those people who never read the comix. Im not saying they allways do a good job(batman & robin, catwoman, captain america) but there are a lot of good ones out there (batman begins, the crow, spiderman) bassicly when you go to see these movies you just have to respect the fact that you are going to be seeing a different version/interpretation of the charecters than you may be used to. Anyway, done preaching now  just my 2 cents
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6/24/2006, 4:54 pm
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EchoSix
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Re: Are all superhero movies ruined by Hollywood?
I think it simply comes down to the demographic audience that they are trying to sell to. They study and study what has sold in the past and they put the "formula" together, according to what makes the most profit. They add into the film, whatever they feel is going to get that certain demographic into the theatre.
ONE of the reasons that even Peter Jackson gave the part of Arwin more workup and play in the script, was because he wanted to get more girls involved in the love interest between her and Aragorn and get women to buy a ticket to see a series of films that are more "guy" oriented.
He said it himself in the supplemental material on the extended versions of the films. Don't give me sh*t about it people, because he did say it. :lol
Suits... "Yes" men... Executive Producers... Box Office revenues... Merchandising... Take your pick.
Main stream Hollywood films are made with profit in mind. The true fans that expect Ra's Al Gul's name to be pronounced properly when he's used in a Batman film, are NOT the ones that the executives have in mind when they sign off on that particular detail in the film. :ohwell The true fans that expect Lex Luthor to have NOTHING but the most serious of nature and outlook to be portrayed into his character, are NOT the ones that the director thinks of when he's trying to get his name out there for future directing jobs.
And no "fan" of Batman, would ever attempt to put NIPPLES onto his suit.
Greed causes the disregard you're talking of. Definitely.
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6/24/2006, 5:03 pm
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Re: Are all superhero movies ruined by Hollywood?
It's a supersize society and that's the tunnel vision some of these producers and directors have. Bigger isn't always better. Sometime the movie makers have to realize plot counts. Eventhough we expect unreal things like superheros, don't expect us to see them surf board on a door from a rocketship and yell "cowabunga!". On another note, my wife and I both liked the Punisher and neither one of us had read the comic.
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6/24/2006, 6:31 pm
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artsee1
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Re: Are all superhero movies ruined by Hollywood?
I do not think it is any different than if you change the comic book author and illustrator and just do another comic book with the same character and story. Whenever you change something it is bound to be different. That is why taking it all the way to another medium rather than the flat page takes it even further away from what it is.
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Re: Are all superhero movies ruined by Hollywood?
They say that the camel is a horse designed by a commitee.
Well this is a horse designed by a Hollywood studio.
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6/25/2006, 6:34 pm
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Re: Are all superhero movies ruined by Hollywood?
:rollin
Great analogy. :up
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6/25/2006, 6:48 pm
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Re: Are all superhero movies ruined by Hollywood?
:rollin That's great TJ!
I personally think that a lot of the irksome things we see in our superhero movies comes from the writer/director team wanting to put thier stamp on the film. Their spin if you will. They have the "Well the character is cool, but wouldn't it also be cool if..." syndrome.
Combine that with trying to shove a LOT of story into a two hour movie, and the fact that most movie makers don't know a helluva lot about the characters and their histories in the first place, and you get some of the complaints that many of us have with the different hero films.
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Re: Are all superhero movies ruined by Hollywood?
yeah I agree with you on that Tim.
I think they always read a lot ( hopefully) but then they want to make an original story instead of adapting a great comic story.
I think the only ones that did adapt were Sin City and some i don't know about.
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6/26/2006, 12:23 pm
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Re: Are all superhero movies ruined by Hollywood?
That's a very good observation.
I also think part of it might be the mentality associated with comic books.
Director / Writer teams who do an adaptation of a novel or biography don't take nearly as many liberties wtih the source material as writers / directors who do comic book movies.
maybe because they feel comic books are "kids stuff" and they think they need to treat it as such or change it to fit what they think both kids and adults will see.
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