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Drakul. No, I'm afraid not. Animal Man (Buddy Baker) has the ability to tap into the traits and abilities of any animal near him. Meaning he could somehow borrow a bird's ability to fly (though without wings) breathe underwater, run as fast as a cheetah, the proportional strength of a spider... you get the idea.
Never has made it to tv or movies, and sadly probably never will.

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It could have been far better. Bruce Wayne did not train with the league of assassins (not shadows) or with ras al ghul in his early years. He didn't meet ras until later on in his career, this is established.

It's villains were weak. Batman fights over-the-top villains. Incase you haven't noticed his entire rogues gallery over the top. It's what they are.

He snuck equipment out of wayne enterprises, equipment that was designed by numerous people. No it's not in production but jesus he was on TV driving the tumbler. Those pictures would be everywhere in a matter of hours and someone who worked on the tumbler would find a way to put two and two together. It could be traced back to wayne. Lucious Fox has no idea bruce wayne is batman in the comics because it's unnecessary.

You're really going to bring the waterfall into this..i mean really...is that it? You're going to miss all the other flaws of the movie and takl about the cave?

The microwave emitter would have ripped every bit of moisture from someone's body. All it did was suck water out of places. You think it's going to bust water from steel pipe but not from a human? WEAK.

They didn't have Ra's as the right ethnicity either. It was like casting Omar Epps to be Superman. They dumbed down the character of Ras and scarecrow.

Rachel Dawes was a useless character that won't be back for a sequel for that reason. harvey dent should have been in her place. If they were going to try and borrow from works like Year One and the Long Halloween they should at least try and amalgamate them a little better than that.

I enjoy watching the movie(sometimes) but it's not a great portrayal of batman. Bruce Wayne would never have wanted to kill Joe Chill because that's not what batman does. It's completely unlike him in every way. David Goyer probably only read year one and skimmed long halloween.

So much could have been done that sadly, wasn't.

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the villains weren't weak. I personally would have made Falcone more Godfather-esque, but Tom Wilkinson's performance more than sufficed.

Bruce actually DID in fact train with a League of Assassins, in an issue from 1989 titled "The Wall" Batman goes up against a clan of ninja assassins in Gotham, while experiencing flashbacks to when he trained with them in their secret compound in the mountains of Asia, only to leave because he didn't agree with their philosophy of killing their enemies.

Yes, Batman's rogues are over-the-top, but they should still be taken seriously. Tommy Lee Jones' portrayal of Two-Face wasn't a deep, tortured suffering soul, just another cackling thug with a crazy costume. Cillian Murphy's Scarecrow was a much more believeable Batman villain than any of the Schumacher versions of the bad guys.

I'm glad we're on the same page about the microwave emitter and Rachel Dawes. I can't say I've ever been impressed or even satisfied by any performance by Katie Holmes, she was just in there as a filler. It was interesting to see Bruce have a childhood friend, but a better actor or a better love interest from the comics would have been more satisfying.

In the first few issues of Batman, as well as in Batman: Year Two, BATMAN USES A GUN. And yes he does WANT to kill Joe Chill.

Batman has been around for nearly 70 years. There's no such thing as a "definitive" version because every writer has done something to change him to suit the times or their own creative needs. The same applies to the animated universe and the movies. So the writers, just like all of us, pick and choose what elements of Batman to explore, ignoring or embellishing or changing others.

That's why Batman Begins was so enjoyable. Because it was a combination of 3 of the most popular interpretations of Batman: Bob Kane's, Denny O'Neill's, and Frank Miller's. And then the movie writers filled in the holes they needed to fill to tell a complete story.

The writers of Batman Begins didn't see any "definitive" history of Bruce Wayne's training. Some versions have him as the first Robin, training with that detective guy in Untold Legend of the Batman; other versions have him training in Argentina, Australia, Africa, England, and Japan at various points; the cartoon put him in Japan where he had the rival Kiodai-Ken and also had him travelling with Zatara and Zatanna for a brief time. So the Begins writers put him with the League of Shadows and Ra's Al Ghoul.

was it perfectly accurate? of course not, there's no such thing. but it was a major improvement over every other Batman film. I mean, come on, Tim Burton told audiences the Joker killed Bruce's parents, and then Batman clearly states in the belfry of the cathedral "I'm going to kill you."

If you go to a comic book movie looking for a verbatim re-enactment of the graphic novel you like best, you'll be disappointed 100% of the time.

you're right that more could have been done, there's always more that could be done. but that doesn't mean what was done isn't worth anything.
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What part of in the beginning didn't you read? He did not train with them in the beginning. Batman Year two is one of the worst batman stories out there, it sucked. If I saw my favorite bat story brought to life exactltly like it is in the comis there's no way I'd be disappointed unless it was just poorly, poorly done.

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I never thought about the microwave too much but i agree.
there are aspects that i woud have liked changed but i tend to discard them such as luciu knowing, the item shipments and a few others
but i agree to some that really bug me
ra's ethnicity is a big one (hale berry anyone :sick )
and rachel is a second she's useless.

yes i would have liked to see harvey. but they might put his transformation throughout the second movie (plese baby please)

but overall i really enjoyed it and will watch it many times.

PS: why we are still comparing movie(and orgue galleries to the Schumacher movies really is beyond me


BTW I looked up that tv series and it was called Manimal in the US.
apparently the guy could transofrm into anything but I just remembered the hawk and the panther. also it just ran for 8 episodes...funny how some things stick with you

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Manimal... i don't think i've ever seen it, but I do remember hearing references to it in jokes on Mystery Science Theater 3000

btw, what IS Ra's Al Ghoul's ethnicity in Begins? He's obviously not Asian despite leading a ninja group; He obviously has the Western European accent because its Liam Neeson. But I don't recall there being any stated ethnicity.

Anyways, this thread has gotten WAYYYY off track from what I orginially intended, though the debate sure is interesting.

Once again, share what DC/Vertigo/Wildstorm properties and characters you'd like to see in upcoming movies, not counting sequels to Superman and Batman.

So far we've seen / heard:

Wonder Woman (currently being worked on by Joss Whedon)

the Flash (possibly by David Goyer and starring Ryan Reynolds as Wally West)

Green Lantern (focusing on Silver Age and expanding into Modern Age in sequels)

The Power of Shazam! (family-friendly movie, similar in nature to The Rocketeer. possibly starring Jerry O'Connell since he did so well as the voice of Capt. Marvel in the JLU episode "Clash")

Animal Man (is this the same as B'wanna Beast from JLU?)

Birds of Prey (hopefully by Joss Whedon since he does female heroes so well)

keep `em comin guys. i'll throw another one out there to get the ball rolling:

Plastic Man, starring Jim Carrey. Obviously heavy on the comedy, but maybe add a moral twist or something so its not The Mask all over again.
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