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Ahem.........

Mag Asks 'How Gay Is Superman?'
By JAKE TAPPER
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(June 20) — He's clearly into fitness, and splashy summer colors.


The new film about the Man of Steel, "Superman Returns" -- which comes out, er, on June 28 -- is being advertised on Logo, the gay and lesbian cable TV channel. Now, the gay magazine, The Advocate, is asking "How Gay Is Superman?"

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Maybe next time you'll read the article and post the rest of it, not just the part that you think supports your opinion.

"By JAKE TAPPER
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The Advocate is not claiming that Superman is gay. It's making a larger point — that like many gays and lesbians, Superman has a secret life. In the closet or phone booth, as the case may be, Superman has another identity that he doesn't share with anyone."


Look, if you don't think that perpetuating negative stereotypes in this day and age is a flaming croc of B.S. then I don't know what else to tell you... maybe next week it will be ok to bring back ethnic and racial slurs into fasion too. When we see something stupid, then we can all say "Man, that's so Jewish". I'm sure the Jewish crowd will understand and won't be offended. Maybe after that you can try it with your black friends too. I'm sure there's some word out there that starts with "N" that they'd all love to hear a white guy say when he sees something he thinks is lame.:geez

I can see that you don't grasp the concept, and that's cool, so we're going to have to agree to disagree.

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Archie Bunker knew how to insult everyone properly.

If you're gonna' do it, then learn from him.









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I personally don't believe the new Superman suit is any gayer than any previous suit, or any superhero suit for that matter. I'm sure several superheros were designed and/or created by a homosexual and no one ever knew the difference. Being homosexual doesn't lend to a certain style. Whether or not Singer designed the suit, I have no idea. Chances are he was presented with several designs and he picked the one he felt looked the best.

I believe that the suit actually looks more "modern" than other suits. The Chris Reeve suit definately has a 70s look to it with the gaping neck line. Does that mean its gay? Probably not, it just means the design team updated the suit just enough so it would not look "dated". It could have been designed by a homosexual, but then again who really cares?

Go back and watch an episode of "Starsky and Hutch". A lot of the "har-har, knee-slap" comedy from that show now seems to have have a homosexual slant to it. Back then it was just fun. Today, it would be "homosexual undertones". Whatever.

Nothing is innocent in todays PC world. It all *has* to mean something. There is always *has* to be an underlying meaning. Maybe there just isn't.

Again, IMHO, the suit needed updating. He was wearing Granny Panties for God's sake.

Singer's X-men was labled with homosexual undertones. Being different and being persecuted because of it can be related to anything from the Jews in Nazi Germany, to geeks dressing up like comic charactors, to mutants in a non mutant world. It doesn't HAVE to be about homosexuality because the author is homosexual.

Think about it though, what's gayer: Superman's low-cut underwear, or obsessiveness with Superman's low-cut underwear?

The answer is neither. And both.
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The BlackBat wrote:

Maybe next time you'll read the article and post the rest of it, not just the part that you think supports your opinion.

"By JAKE TAPPER
ABCNews.com

The Advocate is not claiming that Superman is gay. It's making a larger point — that like many gays and lesbians, Superman has a secret life. In the closet or phone booth, as the case may be, Superman has another identity that he doesn't share with anyone."


Look, if you don't think that perpetuating negative stereotypes in this day and age is a flaming croc of B.S. then I don't know what else to tell you... maybe next week it will be ok to bring back ethnic and racial slurs into fasion too. When we see something stupid, then we can all say "Man, that's so Jewish". I'm sure the Jewish crowd will understand and won't be offended. Maybe after that you can try it with your black friends too. I'm sure there's some word out there that starts with "N" that they'd all love to hear a white guy say when he sees something he thinks is lame.:geez

I can see that you don't grasp the concept, and that's cool, so we're going to have to agree to disagree.

~Tim :batfly



Look, I don't know what the heck you're talking about. You are completely misunderstanding me. I'm not claiming that the article said Superman was gay. I'm posted that in order to point out that new suit has caught the attention of a gay magazine which supports the original arguement that being gay would affect the director's sensibilities to some extent which in turn has come out in the suit.

As far as the name calling thing, no you aren't calling me a homophobe or a racist or an anti-semite. However you are comparing my comments to those of a homophobe or a racist. I know what you are doing and I don't appreciate it. Save your phony outrage. Homosexuals are just fine and they don't need any internet advocates.





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As far as what you were going for with the article, the reason a gay magazine picked up the story is twofold. One is because there's a gay director at the helm of this movie. They also ran a piece on him when he did the X-men movies. Secondly, it's a huge movie release, they also run stories on other huge movie releases that gay men do not helm.

I never said that a (note singluar) gay man's sensibilities and personal design preference didn't effect the outcome of the suit. In fact I think if you'll take the time to read up a few posts I make mention of this very thing. I said it was wrong to lump the suit into the catagory of "gay", thus saying that the suit looks the way it looks not because one man wanted it to look that way, but that the suit turned out the way it did specifically because he was gay. I can see how you might get the two confused, but that's just one of the reasons why the words we use are important.

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As far as the name calling thing, no you aren't calling me a homophobe or a racist or an anti-semite. However you are comparing my comments to those of a homophobe or a racist.



You're correct. And pray tell, how is calling something gay less offensive than calling it Jewish when what you really mean is that you don't like it, and think it looks lame or stupid?

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know what you are doing and I don't appreciate it.



Funny, I was going to say the same to you. :lol

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Save your phony outrage.



It's not phoney. Ask anyone I know, or don't... I don't care.

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I'm glad you called every single one of them and confirmed that fact... or are you just basing your supposition that you know how gays are, thus lumping them all into one group again? :wink

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Let me tell you a story. I was listening to talk radio about 12 years ago when a black man came on the radio and then the next man that was up to talk after that commented on what the black man had said. No one had said he was black so the talk show host brutally attacked him and when questioned the second caller said it was obvious because his voice sounded black and there was no question. It was obvious to me too. This infuriated the talk show host so much that he began to build a ridiculous argument up that there was absolutely no way that you could tell what color of skin a person had by just hearing the voice on the radio. The talk show host stood so strong and so fast on his argument that he fell apart and eventually went away and is out of the scene not because of that incident most likely but that certainly illustrates my point.

A black man typically has a certain sound to his voice and when you hear it it is obvious the majority of the time that the man speaking is black without ever seeing. White women, black women, white men different cultures from around the world and so on an so forth, same deal.

The talk show host was so enraged because he thought that this point of view that you could tell from a voice what color skin a talk show caller had was contributing toward unfair profiling that he made a complete buffoon of himself because every listener most likely, racist or not could clearly tell it was a black man speaking.

The fact is that because blacks are more finely tuned into a world that is different enough from the rest of us (Since we pigeon holed them there) that the perceptible audible sensibilities picked up and displayed by them can actually be audibly noticed by even the most subtly trained ear. No brainer but the reason I am saying this is that the talk show host abandoned reason to defend profiling at all costs out of a sense of duty to be completely non biased.

That is just ludicrous. You can help no one by becoming a fool.

Gay is a life style very much different than the norm. You may say, oh when you are home and the lights are shut off who knows the difference and what does it matter? they are descent people and that is what is important but than fact of the matter is that living a life style enough away form the norm like that develops behavioral patterns and philosophical and psychological patterns that are different enough from the norm that they can be perceived by the subtile inflections in their daily actions, tones behaviors, likes dislikes and so on and so forth.

Take for instance CGI. Poorly done CGI can be picked up on by almost eye that it is fake but good CGI requires a very discerning, artistically trained eye to tell what is fake about it. They have perfected it to the point that the only way some can tell if it is done very well is that the light reflected of the surfaces do not relate properly to one another and everything else other than that is great. Well I notice the light reflectance when others do not and it still bothersome to the point of disbelief so they still need to improve CGI.

My point is- just wanting equality and to erase bigotry with all your might is not enough. We can not abandon reason in the process or we become like the Emperor's New Clothes where every one becomes so afraid to speak the truth it requires a small innocent child to bring us to our senses once again.

Gay is different enough that those who are are different and the things they do are too. Not that there is anything wrong with that but not to admit it is reality would be wrong. Worse it would just be dumb.

I think I have completed my point. There will probably be more but you now can see where I was coming from. There is no bias or hatred or bigotry whatsoever. There is only artistic perception. It is who I am and who I always was and who I always will be. It is a way that I am and by viewing me you can see I am also different because I am also a product of who I am like every other unique individual is but I will end by saying this. If you look at enough artists you will eventually find a pattern too. Doesn't make it wrong doesn't make it over generalized. It just is what it is because of what it is and that is the way the world works.

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Paul,

You say that "gay is a life style very much different than the norm".. who's norm? Yours or mine? Certainly. Theirs, not by a long shot. I could introduce you to some people I know that are gay, and you would not know. No lie. I could introduce you to people that are straight and you would probably believe them to be gay. Why do you insist on lumping everyone into one group instead of letting people be who they are?

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Paul that is the single most disapointing statement I have ever heard you make. Now everyone that is gay is different than everyone else and everything they do is different just because of who they chose to sleep with? Wow! I can't believe that you believe that. As I've shown before, bigotry isn't an offensive term any more than gay is. My friend, that belief you hold is both biased and bigoted, whether it is hateful or not. (and I know you, so I know you do not mean it in a hateful way).

If you want to discuss the topic further without muddying the issue with CGI and the phone call analogy, please address any of my points specifically to refute them. I don't think this thread can handle any more topics than we've already got going.:lol

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Paul- I agree %100

Tim- from now on you and I are deadly enemies. LOL.......I'm just kidding. Look, at this point I think we have both made our points so I'm not going to go back and forth about it anymore. At least not on this board.

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Fair enough Jason, and no hard feelings. Apparently I've got enough deadly enemies as is...LOL. I'm glad that we both came out of it getting our points across without the discussion turning into an all-out slugfest as we've seen other threads become. You made a clean argument and I respect you for that.

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