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Shiney/Dull Dilemma with Plasti Dip


OK. So I'm spraying some licensed gloves with Plasti-Dip & after they dry, one is a nice, deep, shiney black & the other is a much duller almost dark charcoal greyish black color. What in the world causes THIS to happen? Both pieces were sprayed with the same can of dip with the same number of coats & in the same room under the same conditions. Both were originally stripped of color with acetone & washed with soap & water and allowed to dry thoroughly before spraying. Could there be some variation in the latex itself on the gloves that would make such a difference between the two? I'm very puzzled... AND frustrated...

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Re: Shiney/Dull dilemma w/Plasti-Dip - Anyone experience this??


I'll bump this once to see if anyone has anything to say...

I'll add that after I posted the initial complaint, I went back to work on the glove (the dull one). I started buffing it with some Armor All & that made it look a lot better. Well, during one of the modifications I was making to it, the Plasti-Dip started peeling off in big sheets. Now I'm back to a fully stripped glove. I'm guessing that I sprayed the coats too thick too fast - so much so that they didn't dry fully and didn't stick. The other glove still looks awesome & has no problems. I guess I'll give her another go tomorrow.

Any comments to confirm what I'm speculating here? If not, this thread can R.I.P.
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Re: Shiney/Dull dilemma w/Plasti-Dip - Anyone experience this??


hm, i've had a similar problem with a resin made batarang. it was the same mold put back to back. however the one side didn't come out as "pretty" as the other. i assumed there may be something that was in the one mold that caused the variation. i just hit it with a couple more coats of plasti and it turned okay. there was still a slight difference, but not that noticeable.

as far as the plast peeling, it may not have been completely set. if it's not set 100%, it can be peeled off. or maybe you applied too much pressure when armor alling.

hope i helped, if just a little.

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Re: Shiney/Dull dilemma w/Plasti-Dip - Anyone experience this??


Having gone through cases and cases and I indeed have experienced this. I do not know what causes it but it only happens occasionally. I have never known good and bad to happen from the same can though. I have called the factory. They never heard of it and said it had to be the atmospheric conditions but they did not know. They say it is not old or bad batches but some other factor because they never encountered it.

Out of 100 cans I would expect it to happen 5 times.

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Re: Shiney/Dull dilemma w/Plasti-Dip - Anyone experience this??


Unless you know for sure, you may be assuming both sets are made of latex, when in fact one may be vinyl or urethane. Plasti-Dip won't bond with the latter two, and will pull off in sheets.

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Re: Shiney/Dull dilemma w/Plasti-Dip - Anyone experience this??


Thanks for the replies brothers. I'm going to give this another shot today. The only thing I can think of is that, as Paul stated, there could have been a difference atmospherically. It was much more humid yesterday than when I did the other one. It rained all day, where as with the first glove, it was sunny and dry. In any case, they were both sprayed in the garage, but I guess the humidiy in the air could have been a factor.

Also, these are definitely latex - they're the 1989 Morris gloves. Also, I think I may have rushed the second glove a bit. I think I sprayed the coats too thick and too fast, so I'll go for thinner coats this time with ample drying time in between.

We'll see how it goes!
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Whoops I just noticed you are in Florida too. Chances are the climate change then more likely. Still The factory should have heard of it. Maybe they just won't fess up.

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Re: Shiney/Dull dilemma w/Plasti-Dip - Anyone experience this??


PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!

I slowed down a little, sprayed thinner coats & allowed at least 30 mins. between coats. That paired with the fact that it is dry and sunny today probably made the difference. Oh, and it was the SAME CAN!!!!

So, who knows? Maybe it was my impatience; maybe it was the weather; maybe it was a little of both.
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Re: Shiney/Dull dilemma w/Plasti-Dip - Anyone experience this??




 We have to deal with this on acation in the Collision buisness, as well, I know Im not using latex or some of the other stuff you guys use but its kinda is in the same dealings with , I was a Auto Painter 9 years before I opened my own shop and have had alot of things happen im my time and over aplicating is one of the major dealings with dieback or lack of gloss,
  and the temp has alot of effect to if its to hot it needs to be slowed down and given time between coats, if not the process will backfire and give the problems like you describe, allways good to take it nice and slow and let things settle in , patience is a good thing in painting.
  But like I said earlier I paint cars not much of this stuff so what do I know. :confused :lol
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Re: Shiney/Dull dilemma w/Plasti-Dip - Anyone experience this??


Sounds like there are a few "universal truths" here when it comes to painting anything. Anyway, it was a lesson learned for me and hopefully others will read this and avoid some of the frustration I've (and many others have) experienced.
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