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Latex Vs. Foam


I have been sculpting my own cowl on and off for months now,scrapping it, re-starting it, changing it's look etc.

Anyway...I have a pretty big head.. 24" and every time I build up the clay to a 1/2" as you need to cater for latex shrinkage, I hate the way the cowl looks it gets a helmet like look to it.

For the particular Cowl I'm working on, it needs to be real stream lined and close to the face when I cast it.

I hear that LATEX FOAM was used for the Dead End Cowl?

Anyone ever used this stuff?

I know it's used for prosthetic make-up so shrinkage is less of a problem.

I read that it needs to be baked also?

Is not a "cold foam" available that needn't be baked that doesnt shrink?

If I were to bake it, what kind of mould would I need to withstand the heat?

I dont want to use plaster.

Thanks to anyine who can help.

Luke

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Re: Bat Cowl Latex help anyone?


Luke,
If you're going to go with foam latex, you're going to have to use UltraCal molds, it can withstand the heat of baking the foam.
And you'll also have to have a plug to go inside your mold, so there will be a hollow cavity for your head to fit into.
I would suggest going to
The Monster Lab
For more info.
-Brin


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Re: Bat Cowl Latex help anyone?


There's people that know much more about this than myself,but I believe foam gets a little involved. With latex you slush or brush and walk away for a while.
  With foam you need big ovens and definitely some help. I'd think you'd want to be there the whole time while it cures too. You take a big syringe and and inject the foam in,then shove it in te oven and bake for the proper amount of time. That's about all I really know.

  There was an episode of 'Movie Magic' years back where they showed Dick Smith(the man!) creating the lifesize body sculptures for William Hurt in 'Altered States'. It was very informative,but looked very expensive,time consuming and they had a whole team of guys doing it.
 I know youngbat knows quite a bit about this,so he could probably explain it better and in more detail.

 Guys like Henry Alverez do this for a living and probably have or have access to equipment like this. It's not as easy for the average person to do.

John :flapbat

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Re: Bat Cowl Latex help anyone?


Thanks for the feedback guys, and the link!

I just want to be able to get away with sculpting something really close to the face, so when I make a latex casting it maintains the contours of the face.
Like the Cowl in WAR ON CRIME.

But if I sculpt that close to my own face, regular latex will shrink and it will be unwearable.

I read about Cold Foam on that link at the Monster Lab, but I'm not sure how suitable it would be.

I may have to bite the bullet and just sculpt the cowl a half inch thick. And then it would be a bit simpler at least to actually cast it.

Thanks guys for your help,

Luke

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Re: Bat Cowl Latex help anyone?


hi i'm in the same boat, just finnishing my begins cowl and have been looking at the best method as I have never done it before. I am going to use the slush method with latex and I too have a 24" noggin and was worried about the shrinkage. I have set myslef a goal of having the cowl doen by February.

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Any new pics of your begins cowl bro? Or were the last ones you posted of the final sculpt?

-Jon
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i have redone alot of it and will have new pics up by the weekend, hopefully a finished sculpt

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Re: Bat Cowl Latex help anyone?


Looking forward to seeing it!

I hope too to finish my sculpt for the weekend. It's a kind of War on Crime type Cowl, that I intend to use for a long delayed (5 years) fan film.

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