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BTAS Grap Gun - Pics Start to Finish


Well, I've posted elsewhere, and I see some familiar names, so I guess I'm finally in the best place to ask about this.

First, a brief about me since I'm [sign in to see URL] FX guy in the Cleveland, Ohio area, just worked on A Joker's Card, working on a green lantern project, and am loving this so much more then gore that I normally have to do to make some money. I'm building an animated grappling hook gun, that will actually work, for a film in the area, and the only pics I have been able to find came from the person I'm making this for, actually photos of his TV screen.


]Batman TAS grappling hook gun


They, as well as progress of the gun is at the above link. I'm pretty much doing it as a tutorial, since I've seen a lot of great work done in these forums I have no doubt that someone can make their own. I may cast up some extras if I have any demand for them, but not sure since they might be dangerous (pointy hooks flying around.)

Anyway, I'm looking for any comments, photos, screen caps so I can get this thing as close as possible while still allowing it to work in the real world.

also, would love to hear what anyone has to say about AJC or bat-type props on the site.

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You psycho... I want one... I just made a dummy grapnel gun, but holy crap, would anyone be able to make a grapnel based on your design?

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Right Tom, I've seen your engineering on another forum, and this intricate design-build approach looks technically workable. The final grappling hook may pose some challenges, and gripping rather than piercing and gripping should be more practical.

I'd recommend getting some industrial design or art help to make this thing more aesthetic and possibly even more compact. That way it would both look and feel really cool and not just be utilitarian. It would be good to see some future CGI along this line, and I look forward to seeing such potential refinements.

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Cool
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wow. can't wait to hear how this turns out. keep us posted. what kind of project are you working on? it's cool that something like that is going on around my area for a change. i'm in Warren.

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BYW, I think so, my intention is to make the proto out of wood, balsa or bass, then mold/cast it up, reason I have to do that is for the movie, want a couple, which is how I could cast more up if anyone was interested.

Just got the cut list up, well probably not a "real" cutlist, but all the parts of the handle are there, and will fit the pneumatics I'm using.

Zane, trying to keep it less intricate, but just had to work out best method for fitting the pneumatics in there, a little work in the beginning saves some at the end. The hook will probably not actually grip, and this is purely a "pretty" prop in intent, I don't have the means to make this function in the real world as it does in the toons/movies. The hook may actually have to fold up to fit in the barrel. God I wish I did though.

At this stage of the game, I just need to make what I'm hired to. After that's all done, I'm going to continue playing with it, once I have the parts in place I can probably just carve some foam to fit over the handle and change a little bit to make a much sleeker/ergonomic design.

I was playing with the pneumatics earlier and I can see there will be some issues with the hooks flight, as I expected. Over a distance it may tend to flop in the air. I am also fairly certain that having a line affixed to the gun will be dangerous (bounce back on the hook) so I may simply wind cord on a spool that will shoot out as well.

Shadow, it's actually for a nightwing film, down in the Mansfield area, or around there, bout an hour south. I have an idea for a fanfilm, might be looking for some props and help, email and we can talk. Also, hit [sign in to see URL] and check out their message board, Johnny's thinking of having some costumed folks for the premiere of AJC in April sometime if you're interested. Same goes for anyone in the area I guess.

working on the barrel section now so I can build that digital and get going on this. Aiming for a mid-late February completion date for the proto, after that, maybe another week or so to wrap up the first production version. Full official tutorial on it will be finished up after that, but since I'm updating as I go, you'll see everything as I get to it.

Tom


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Holy Strombolie! I want one! i'm too poor though :banghead
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too poor? nah,but i AM putting the whole building process online. I'm using wood to build the model so I can mold and cast them, but it could easily be made in plastic or even metal (sure, a little more trouble)

Just a basic breakdown on pneumatics right [sign in to see URL] feel free to price on the clippard website

(1) MJV-2 valve
(1) 15453 male 10-32 coupling
(3) 11752-4 10-32 to 1/8" ID hose fitting
(3) 2CPF NPT to 10-32 female bushing
(1) 15004 10-32 female hex coupling
(1) AVT-24-10 air volume tank
(1) MJCV-1 1/8 NPT check valve

also
a 1/8 NPT tire valve
some urethane hose

all that comes out to maybe in the $40-50 range. I buy bulk from a local distributor. That is everything needed to get it working, including an air tank that can be filled at any gas station, with a bike pump, CO2 tire inflator, etc.... I'll probably break down functions of the pneumatics when I get to the tutorial stage of things.


I'd estimate the resin needed for castings in the 2-4 cup range, which would give you the sections of the gun, as well as a couple hooks.

Besides the above, a few screws, some pipe, and paint and I think it'd be about everything

Tom

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$40-$50? that's cool. i've been playing around with this idea in my head for awhile and i though something like this would be more expensive to make.
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Cooooool... :applaude It all looks very complicated, and once I start seeing those hoses and whatnot, I just assume it's over my head, and I quit looking. :p However, I am very interested in the process, and I hope you will keep us informed on what is going on. Good times...

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