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Motorized '89/Returns Belt


This is currently being discussed over on SHH. About how in a couple of the scenes in both movies you see the speargun "roll" around to the front of the belt. I'm sure this has been talked about here, but I can't remember it. Was there a motorized track for the Keaton belt allowing this for these shots?

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Re: motorized 89/Returns belt???


I have no idea how it was done,but I will say it's probably much like a magic trick.
It looks really difficult and seemingly impossible,but the secret is probably so easy it's disappointing.
Probably not something you can simulate easily either,as in being able to incorporate into your suit.

I'd be willing to guess it's nothing more than a simple rig of some kind that's pulled only a foot away or so from the actor. A guy(or more) with a string standing just out of camera view. Or a guy with a rod pushing it around to him under his cape,standing in back of him.
Probably shot in some corner of a sound stage somewhere and edited in later.

I'd bet a million it isn't even Keaton. The same with the opening of the batarang.
That's not Keaton's hand or arm.
I'll go further and say these two shots,along with many others were shot in the same day and some guy put on costume parts to shoot these little inserts.


That's my guess.

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Re: motorized 89/Returns belt???


What is really cool about that shot to me is that you can see where they removed one of the belt capsules so that the gun could slide across the entire length.

Where the capsule used to be is just a brass grommet of some sort.

These are the best pic of the grommet I'm talking about.
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And a couple more of the belt in it's motorized glory-

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And here is the belt with the capsules in place.

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Re: motorized 89/Returns belt???


well, I think this warrants some investigation.

One of the posters found this little blurb about it. Not sure where he found it.

One feature added to the utility belt in the two Tim Burton directed Batman films, Batman (1989 film) and Batman Returns, was a small motor which would move items from the back of the belt around to the front allowing Batman easier access to his weaponry and tools. The feature was seen briefly when Batman and Vicki Vale were escaping the Joker's henchmen in the alley and when he rescued Selina Kyle from the Penguin's clown henchmen at the beginning of Batman Returns.

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And you can see it's obviously two different belts. The last one has a groove from the edge to the center button. The first shots show no groove in the belt, lending credence to the idea that it's a second unit shot of a stand-in in a suit and gloves.


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Re: motorized 89/Returns belt???


That last shot is from another scene than the top 4.

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Man, I DO remember reading something on that, it was a chain I think...or maybe it was in one of the TV shows...TO THE BAT BOOKS!

Batman official book of the movie (89) page 78

"...fit neatly onto his utility belt, which Evans felt ought to move: "Again, this was hard to achieve. By means of a motorized chain inside the belt, Batman is able to zip an item from back to front, This adds to the drama, of course,but we also felt he would look like a Marine if all the gadgets were clamped to his front. Again,this is a case of ten days' detailed preparation making two seconds screen time."

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