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Re: The elusive cape harness


This is great John. I've tried the strap technique, but didn't find it gave me the support I wanted. So I've now started to modify a male, boned corset. I'll post pics and a tutorial when I'm done.

As far as accuracy goes, inner plate only had two chicago screws which went through the armour, these then held in place another plate with all the screw holes like the one you've pictured. The result of this was to sandwich the body armour between two plates.

Everything else you've done seems bang on to me.

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pjwares- So I've got returns armor on the way and am gonna try this. I've got a nice tight Nike-Pro sleeveless compression shirt I don't wear; gonna make a plastic plate and mount it right to the shirt, with canvas straps attached and glued over the shirt shoulders to distribute weight. Would anyone be able to post a pic of the orig. style mount? I found some general pics. The less holes I have to put in my chest the better.... plus with just 2 holes it would be far easier to adjust/re-do holes if I got a differently cut cowl, etc. 'cause the returns chest I got has no emblem locator plate. What I found:

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Hunterbat, that sounds like a good idea. Unfortunately, as far as I know no pics of the real harness exist, but these photos of the cape plate might help give a clue. The real armour had only two holes underneath the batsymbol that the harness pins went through.

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As far as accuracy goes, inner plate only had two chicago screws which went through the armour, these then held in place another plate with all the screw holes like the one you've pictured. The result of this was to sandwich the body armour between two plates.


Well,I don't like that. :lol

Why are there 12 holes in the chest cavity?
Or is there?

I think this gives more stability,even if it isn't correct.
Especially if it was foam.

By only having 2 screws coming from underneath,the entire assembly would be supported by this,and only this.

By having all 12 screws coming up,the weight is distributed more evenly,and theoretically,would keep everything more 'locked'.

Also,that's why I chose to just use styrene. If I took one of these plates and folded it,it would just snap.
In case anyone was wondering about the plastic:

It's extremely strong used the way it is.
It's not the material that needs to be strong,but how it's used.
Metal plates aren't necessary for what we're doing,even if you were actually going to use it for a film,or demonstration.
The washers add strength,and with everything secured around the perimeter,including the chest,nothing is gonna rip,bend,break or snap.
There's even tension all around,so there are no real stress points to worry about.

I just don't like the two hole idea. Regardless of accuracy,I believe this is better,IMO.

I'd like to see what you got Paul. :wink

John :flapbat

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Why are there 12 holes in the chest cavity?



There aren't John, this is a common misconception. There are actually only two holes in the chest cavity of the body armour.

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I still have the original fibreglass copy, I'll take a picture and post it.

The full twelve would have weakened the foam too much and would have torn more easily in that area

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Well then going on pjwares' above image, theoretically one could use a full oval plate atached to both sides of the cape, and if they were metal then both sides of the cape would have 2 large screws holding it in place very solidly. That would be a much faster gear-up process and not much thicker than the half-oval setup with 10+ screws! You could mount a plate permanently inside the armor to really cinch it down! The thickness of them would me negligible (under 1/4" for all 4 plates total). So you'd have:

(<->) <--emblem/cowl flap
(*_*) <--left side cape plate
(*_*) <--right side cape plate
(o_o) <--chest armor with holes
(l_l) <--cape harness with posts

Just a thought. I agree you don't have to use metal but it's quite a bit thinner than plastic and not tough to cut if you buy decent tinsnips. Benefit being reduced thickness and it won't ever tear away at the holes, especially when screwed together.

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The full twelve would have weakened the foam too much and would have torn more easily in that area


Actually,that does make sense. :wink

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I agree you don't have to use metal but it's quite a bit thinner than plastic and not tough to cut if you buy decent tinsnips. Benefit being reduced thickness and it won't ever tear away at the holes, especially when screwed together.



First,you need the thickness for a proper 'gasket',but the plastic styrene is only 1/16" thick anyway. It can be cut with scissors.
Doesn't get any easier than that.

Sheet metal is extremely difficult to cut like this and I have really good tin snips.

You'll never be able to cut it without it curling up,and you'll never get it flat no matter how much you hammer it,which you will have to do.

Plus,you can bend with your fingers....if you don't cut them first,along with possibly shredding your suit.
The plastic is much stronger than sheet metal,and won't bend and won't break,and isn't sharp.

You'll need thicker metal,like 1/16"(just like the plastic),and then you definitely wouldn't be able to cut that with snips.
Now it's getting complicated,and heavier.

Tin snips are made for sheet metal,and nothing else. Sheet metal is extremely thin and would not work for this project.
Try it,but I guarantee you'll just waste your time and money.

You can do whatever you want. This thread is just a suggestion.

John :flapbat

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so where do you get the plastic styrene from?is it easily obtainable?

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I got a hobby shop about 3 minutes away. :wink

Any decent hobby shop that carries scale modeling supplies should have it. It's very common.

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Im kinda confused now. Why does the plate on the cape and the emblem canvas have so many more holes if only 2 were really used to secure the cape to the body?
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