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Re: Neon's First Cowl Sculpt: Critiques Wanted!


I'm digging the scuplt so far, but there is something "off" about the ears to me though.
For me, it's the rear edges...they're too thick IMO.

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Managed to snap a couple of pics with my good cam before the batteries died. Click for big!

Significant reshaping of the cheeks... they're much more angular now. Brows have also been worked on a bit.

The neck has been thickened up drastically.

And the new bit on the chin was just me playing around. I won't keep it.

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Let me know what you think...
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I'm really diggin the eye brows and the nose. Everything looks great so far, but I have to go with everyone else and say change the ears and the cheek bones. I'm not a fan of the scoop back ears, at least not that dramatically scooped.

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I'm really digging this sculpt! I love the way you're taking this! :up

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don't change a thing...that is unless YOU want to. if you are trying to replicate an exact cowl then yeah sure change it to suit but if this is what you see as Batman then do it for your self. change what you want to change. how ever if you intend on trading these then you have to consider what the potential traders want in a unique cowl.

so far i like it. keep up the work dude. :up

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Re: Neon's First Cowl Sculpt: Critiques Wanted!


While I do want this to represent Batman as I see him, I also have to take into account that I might not see what others see. It helps me create a stronger piece.

And if I ever want to make my Batsuit a reality, I will probably end up having to trade a few copies to make that happen, so having others pleased by the result can only be a good thing.

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The old ears are now gone, and I think it looks loads better. Thanks for the continuous nagging, it finally gave me the courage to slice all that clay off.

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I really want to keep the skeletal look to the cheeks, so I altered the shape again slightly, getting rid of the inside scoop near the nose and creating a sharp edge near the mouth opening to almost look like a (set of) fang(s).

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Back of the head... the 'U' shape where the ears meet was about four inches higher in my last set of pics, but I cut the ears thinner and longer, and it makes the back look a lot nicer too.

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Slightly raised lip on the mouth opening, lining up with the top of the ear, to give the cheeks a bit more character.

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Again, thank you for the suggestions so far, and keep them flowing! I might actually get this done if I know there's an audience out there. emoticon
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Very nice...first cowl sculpt? Umm...okay...my first cowl didnt looks this good. Very cool buddy!

I love the style you're going for and have some personal critiques based mainly on what I like from your style and design. Please take everything I say with a grain of salt because this is your baby. :)


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The two images above are probably my favorite. I love the unique look of the horns. The shape and even the fact that they're not mirrored I think adds a beast like quality to the look of the cowl. For me, the way you started here is a fantastic look.
I also think that if the neck and shoulder areas of the sculpt went down further it would help balance it all out. Shorter cowl neck sculpts are tricky to get that 'full' proportion look particularly with big horns. I'm not saying go as far down as the Keaton cowls but consider what this could look like and that beast like quality it would have it it had more going on past the collar bone area.

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As much as I love the horns, the side view starts to loose that aggressive umph you get from the straight on view. The way the horns curve into the base of the head could 'probably' be tied in by adding more clay to the back of the head and maybe getting them a little harsher in their dynamic look...less soft curve to the head is I guess what I'm suggesting...if that makes any sense... :confused


The last pics you posted with the chin guard are cool, but that new element screams 'armor' where as your sculpt has more of a gothic look to it. I love the cheeks, but would soften up all the harsh lines so that you dont have to worry about symmetry so much. You've got a great design...I see a bunch of influences there....I love gothic-type cowls and with a little softening up of the brow I think you'll have less to worry about in the long run.

Wonderful first sculpt buddy...oh and remember...take this all with a grain of salt. :up

David

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Re: Neon's First Cowl Sculpt: Critiques Wanted! (Pg.2 Updates)


David, bats have ears, not horns... even in Canada! :hey :nahnah

I'm liking the progress you've made Neon. From the direction you're going it really looks like you've got a lot of Brereton influence. Not sure if that was intended, but I'm REALLY into it.

Good call on raising the cheekbones/mouth opening a bit, and those little fanglike nubs you added give it a ton of character.

I'm not sure I agree with David that the chinpiece screams armored. As I mentioned before Brereton uses it in his design for Thrillkiller, and his leather-clad Batman is completely in the gothic style of art without being armored, so I think it you can pull it off for such a stylized piece without chaining yourself down to an armored look.

I'm not sure what you're planning on casting in, but the neck might need to be a touch longer. Not just for the good reasons David mentioned, but you don't want it floating 2-3 inches off of your shoulders, which is a common problem, especially for comic and custom style cowls not worn with armor.

All-in-all it's some excellent work man, especially for a first go.

~Tim :batfly

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Re: Neon's First Cowl Sculpt: Critiques Wanted! (Pg.2 Updates)


David, thank you for taking the time to comment on this noob's first cowl. You too, BlackBat.

My budget means the final piece will be cast in latex. And I'll be lengthening the cowl as well, it was a concern of mine, but having two people in a row mention it seals the deal.

Most of the sharp edges are there to give me a better feel for where everything meets and how they influence the surrounding areas, they're going to be softened up a bit before molding.

I agree that the current state of the chinguard could make the piece look armored, but it's only a temp detail at the moment so I can focus on the rest visually, and may look less so when I soften up the edges if I decide to keep it.

I won't be able to do any work today but I'll definitely work on him more tomorrow.
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This is looking great...the shape of the ears give it a very gothic look :up

Jason.

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